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I want to say yes but everything else tells me no

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Kent State shooting was very popular at the time. It's only in retrospect that America decided to be horrified about it.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the entirety of the US war on Vietnam has gotten memory holed into being this big, unpopular mistake when the truth was that it was fairly popular at first

Lots of volunteers, lots of pro-war sentiment

Took the war dragging on for several years for opinion to start changing, but the two big nails in the coffin were the Tet Offensive and the release of the Pentagon Papers

The combination of the supposedly defeated North Vietnamese striking back with a vengeance and the public finding out that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a farce was what finally broke the majority of public support

Atrocities like the My Lai Massacre and Tiger Force didn't do much to get people turned off, and neither did the Kent State shooting

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

It's just like how Afghanistan is considered now, apparently all the libs are now against it from the start.

America's propaganda machine is ridiculously powerful.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Yeah my grandparents still talk nostalgically about the good old days when the government knew how to deal with communists. How unfair everyone was to Nixon.

yea

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago

Yep, they learned that higher tuitions had a chilling effect on protests, and it worked damn well for a long time.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More Americans know about Tiamen Square that of what happened on Kent State.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They know of Tiamen square. I wouldn't say they know about it. They just see a guy in front of a tank and then go "oooo, brave, standing up to the CeceePee."

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate to be that guy, but it’s tiananmen. 天 = tian =heaven, 安 = an = peace, 门 = men = gate. 天安门。

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm American. That's my excuse.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sadly, I am also trapped in this pisspot with ya, I just also happen to have learned a bit of Chinese over the last year, and proposed in front of Chairman Mao in tiananmen when I was there, so I am pretty intimately aware of how to spell it lol

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, tbh I think I just rolled with the typo from the previous comment...

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 year ago

Not a typo, plain ignorance.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh...side-eye-1

I'm afraid to say anythingside-eye-2

But seriously, like maybe to an extent. At least in so far as the pigs aren't just going in there to shoot and kill protestors. Doesn't mean they won't brutalize protestors in other ways of course. And I honestly wonder how many Americans even know about Kent State. Even in my relatively good education I think Kent State was mentioned once or twice from elementary school through college.

[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incomprehensible how absolute brutality is fine to the average person as long as there are no deaths deeper-sadness

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

so-far no direct deaths

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they learned the state is the ultimate purveyor of violence

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, and when I have funds again (inshallah) I will funnel them all to Maoist insurgency groups in Texas in their quest to the-doohickey Greg Abbott

don't donate to the austin red guard, they already get some of your taxes (rimshot)

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Finishing the job the trees started qin-shi-huangdi-fireball (but he has a cowboy hat)

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

No, they drink 10 o clock news juice and are force fed what and who to get mad at

You think they cared when protestors got sprayed in the face with bear mace at UC Davis 15 ish years ago?

[–] refolde@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

They learned that there will never be consequences for anything they do.

[–] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago
[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fact that veterans get the GI Bill is enough proof that 'no, we did not'. Those dudes shouldn't be around any schools.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The US has only forgotten things since Kent State.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, they learned to do it again

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

The US? Learn something?