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Everything about Lemmy; bugs, gripes, praises, and advocacy.

For discussion about the lemmy.ml instance, go to !meta@lemmy.ml.

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[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had such a hard time explaining to someone today that there is no universal set of Lemmy rules/politics and you can run your own instance with literally 0 rules

people have forgotten that things can exist outside of the few billionaire/trillionaire closed source walled gardens they've become so reliant on

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think that's great. I think it's awesome that something like Lemmygrad can exist, while also a community criticizing Lemmygrad (there are several) all on the same platform, and without any real central control.

If you don't want to see certain content, you can block it and move on, while getting the benefits of federation.

I joined communities from a half dozen instances, and I'll probably join communities from even more as I get better at finding communities.

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[–] SummerIsTooWarm@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Thank you and @dessalines and other contributors for your effort. It must be really overwhelming to suddenly have so many new people using lemmy. Being overloaded is to be expected in these circumstances. Please make sure that you don't overwork yourselves now and set limits on how much work you do.

[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God I appreciate these dudes. I don't envy them one bit right now...

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, very difficult situation, I truly hope they'll find the help they need.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, I'm lending a hand. I have some patches in production already, and I've only been contributing for a week or so.

If you have the means, please help out. There are tons of bugs, important features, etc, and it's a pretty stable base, so it's a good time to jump in.

[–] boud@framapiaf.org 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@sugar_in_your_tea About "good time to jump in": the small size of the lemmy dev community gives you a chance to shift off Microsoft to a community git forge e.g. #Codeberg [1] that aims at forge federation [2] *before* there's too much #TyrannyOfConvenience inertia. Mastodon devs are reluctant to even *discuss* giving up Microsoft [3].

@ulu_mulu @lemmy #GiveUpGitHub #forgefed #forgejo https://giveupgithub.org

[1] https://codeberg.org
[2] https://forgefed.org
[3] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22572

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well, I don't get to make that decision. If the maintainers choose to do that, I'll follow, but there's a good chance that a lot of the other contributors won't. For something in rapid development with a lot of community contributions, you want that barrier of entry to be as low as possible.

So if it was up to me (and it's not), I would say no. I would be open to an official mirror somewhere else, and perhaps moving to a separate feature/bug tracking system (esp. if it's easier for the community to report bugs), which imo is the biggest barrier to moving the repo.

I guess I'm not particularly worried about it since the project is FOSS and the difficulty in switching is pretty low.

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[–] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You guys are doing a fantastic work. Congrats on creating such a cool project like Lemmy.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

This is extremely well written. Anyone that supports and wants to see this platform thrive should share this in response to the people spreading nonsense with the goal of seeing it fail and upholding the corporate status quo.

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

post it to Mastodon with LemmyDev account

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[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

For the past three years dessalines and I have been funded to work on Lemmy full-time by generous support from the NLnet foundation. These donations are paid out when we implement certain new features. But now we are busy answering questions, reviewing pull requests and urgentlyfixing problems. That means we are unable to work on the milestones agreed with NLnet, and won’t receive payments from them.

:(

[–] spirit@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (16 children)

On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

[–] andobando@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nothing here says he's a fascist. His "genocide denial" stance stems mostly from the idea of being anti-capitalist and not trusting US-centric sources. Its not entirely without merit. Noam Chomsky for example is accused of the same thing for the Pol Pot genocide, though at the time he was right for the same reasons -- accusations started flying in the US based on completely banal sources.

I used to be like this, its not entirely harmful. And in any case, I don't give a shit about his politics. We should be thinking about how to separate peoples politics from the platform, and the work hes done on Lemmy does exactly that.

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[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

So um, no one on the face of this earth hates fascism more than a communist, the evidence you dug up only seems to reinforced the not a fascist and its utterly rediculous to call us that.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Your point being?

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[–] agentshags@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Keep up the good work y'all!

[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

For us maintainers (dessalines and nutomic), it has resulted in an endless stream of questions and notifications, which is impossible to keep up with. Previously there were 5 - 10 Github notifications per day; now they have risen to over 100 daily.

That is what i was worried about, Feedback for developers probably correlates with the number of active users , more users mean more feedback (github issues and comments) and more stuff to read, I thought this might not be a problem because i looked at mastodon and didn't see a lot of issues getting opened in a day, but it's the comments that could be the real problem, unless you will improve your funding and start hiring more people (even temporarily hiring freelancers) things will probably get worst and you will lose a lot of good feedback.

We are increasingly reliant on user donations to pay our bills. These donations currently add up to 1500 Euros per month, which is not even enough to pay minimum wage for the two of us. Hopefully more users can consider donating, so that we can put our full attention to making Lemmy better for everyone, and possibly add more developers to our worker co-op in the future.

looking at liberapay , patreon and opencollective my calculation says you are getting about 4465 dollars (2714+217.58*4.345+806) when this comment was written , that's about 0.15 dollar per active user (assuming about 28K monthly active users).

For comparison beehaw has about 3069 monthly active users and got this month (6/1/2023 -> 6/17/2023) about $3,461.60 ( 1.12 dollar per user, probably better then reddit for most of it's history).

So i am pretty sure the problem is with getting funding (most people are not aware of the option to donate, or/and are not convinced or incentived to do it). Lemmy should work on it's conversation rate.

If you are interested, i worked for a while on a guide to help fund open source and got some good feedback on it, maybe you will find it useful.

[–] kilgore@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the hard work, and also clearing up the whole genocide thing! ^^

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

Great to see an update. I know you guys got overloaded quickly and I appreciate what you are doing. I'll check out the donation link.

[–] Oxossi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for all you've done and is still doing.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the good work! I've donated to both you and my server!

[–] XLRV@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks for everything, I'm happy to see Lemmy and the Fediverse growing like that.

[–] patryk@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What is the best way to donate to lemmy? According to this article it's Liberapay. Is that true?

[–] Jomn@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yes liberapay doesn't take any commission.

[–] christian@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's upsetting to see the shit-talking because I imagine reading that nonsense is emotionally draining, especially when you're already stressed out with a billion things to do. I've seen you guys active in the lemmy community for years and you've always been wonderful. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the work you two have put in and are currently putting in. I'm really happy that your project is starting to catch on.

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[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I'm in it for the long haul, the first federated service I've used that felt like a true replacement for it's centralized counterpart.

[–] deedasmi@lemmy.timdn.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When will we get details about security vulnerability? Is there a formal method for instance owners to stay up to date on those kinds of notices?

Thanks for the work my friends.

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[–] Binzy_Boi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Looking forward to donating come next month, sorry to hear the struggles with the funder as of late.

[–] SusanoStyle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for your hard work.

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