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I give the side-eye to people who call it "A New Hope" or "Episode IV."

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Han doesn’t shoot first. Han is the only one who shoots. In the original Greedo never fires a shot.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it works so much better that way. Lucas decided at some point to remove all moral ambiguity from all of his characters and it's nuts.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It's not even that Han was being evil. Greedo was straight up telling Han he was going to kill him. It's Han just not being an idiot and thinking "I better wait for this guy that is saying he's going to kill me to take a shot at me because I need to be 100% sure of his intentions."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Based. I hate "Han shot first." Greedo couldn't get a shot off. I grew up on the "face" editions. The box VHS set.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

You can shoot first and last, so it's technically still correct.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wasn't it always called "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?"

I never got to see it originally in the 70's due to not being born yet, but I had seen it long before the special edition changes made in the '97 release. It was always something even my dad, who did see the original release, joked about. "Where is episodes 1 through 3?"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Nope. It was originally just Star Wars.

George Lucas (who lies all the time) claims he always planned for it to be Episode IV, but that introduction was only added when it was re-released ~~before~~ after The Empire Strikes Back came out... and when people initially saw it, they laughed.

Edit: Got the chronology wrong

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best star wars was when George didn't have total control, the first movie was saved in the editing room

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He divorced that editor, so she couldn't save his bacon later.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Well I'll be damned. TIL!

Although even if he did plan it to be "episode IV..." WHY START AT 4?! lol

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Partly because it fit in with the whole idea of being a modern Flash Gordon serial, where you drop in partway through the story. I think it worked pretty well, personally.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Not until many years later. Hell it was only ONE movie until it took over the world and people could not get enough of it, so everyone and their dog begged Lucas to make more.

Then ya boi’s all “oh it was always going to be a trilogy” yeah yeah okay George. “And it was always meant to have three prequels which would” George, shutup a minute - firstly there’s no such word as prequel, so - anyway.

Look, you mashed up Metropolis and Dune on a whim and got solid gold, why not leave it alone? Money. Right. Of course. Ah well.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I'd say it's closer to A Princess of Mars than Dune and that Dune also owes a lot to A Princess of Mars.

But the Pellucidar books have that mix of different aliens that instantly grabbed people with Star Wars.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As far as I'm concerned, that was a scene with a different Jabba, a big Irish guy in a fur coat. But it wasn't in the movie, so it doesn't matter.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It was better without Jabba, leaves the buildup for later.

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Precisely. If Lucas didn't bother to retain that actor/character for ROTJ, then it never happened.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree. That said, this fan did a 'fix' of the version with Jabba in a pretty ingenious way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKaJ2GC1C04&t=0s

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, now that's clever and reasonable. More evidence that Lucas has always needed outside voices and not just "yes men" to reign things in.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I just read this on Wikipedia about CG Jabba (apparently) being upgraded for a 2004 DVD release from the 1997 "special" edition-

ScreenCrush later reflected that the 2004 version "was an improvement, but only in the way that nausea is an improvement over vomit".

I love it.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NEW Holo Jabba FIX | Episode IV A New Hope 4K Edit.

😏

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, well... kids today...

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was such a stupid, stupid scene. Like all the other "humor" scenes he started injecting.

Jabba's way too small. And there's no way in hell he'd let him just stomp on his tail like that. And...sigh.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On my Jellyfin server I edited that part out along with most of the bad graphics.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just got a copy of the Despecialized edition.

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[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ultra rare laserdisc version is holy grail

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Picard: "Original film reel transfers."

Scotty looks surprised

Picard: "Who do you think gave them to Guinan?"

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Would be funny if the last panel had George Lucas in the turbolift with a knife

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And no Jabba in the Hangar either!

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I believe you are being what RPG circles call a "grognard"

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Brilliant meme btw. Cheers.

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does the computer have access to the original release? or is this thanks to one of the restoration/preservation projects?

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Did Lucas actually add to or change anything about the movie for the 1981 re-release with "Episode IV: A New Hope" other than just the title scroll?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Wikipedia article I linked doesn't say so. I don't think he made any major changes until the Special Editions.

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