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If you are white collar then it's going to "disrupt" your field.

I work in tech. I got laid off last year. I wasn't at Alphabet or Amazon or anything. Much smaller company. But AI "optimization" has ravaged the tech industry and not just programmers. Admins, database specialists, network specialists, developers, you name it. Our job market is absolutely fucked.

In my county, a major metro area in the US (like, top 10) craigslist used to be the place to get real job postings. If it wasn't a recruiter then your odds of getting a callback from a job posting there is pretty high. There are plenty of postings for other fields like mechanics and tradesmen and so on. For the few tech categories: nothing in the last month. Zero postings. Not even recruiter ads. Literally nothing. It's a wasteland.

I've been told to "go back to school." I'll be 41 soon. I'm still paying off my computer science degree. It's worthless. What else should I go for? Accounting? HR? These are going to be taken by AI, too. Will it be a mistake? Sure. They don't care. They'll do it anyways.

When I got my degree my wife and I were homeless. We just got back out of the hole in the last 10 years. I was finally building savings. It'll be gone in 60 days. She was laid off on Friday. Her industry is in property finance. Another gutted industry. She has to change industries, too.

What is to be done?

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[–] Optimus_Subprime@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Fuck, if AI can take over my Desktop Support job where I have to haul shit around and physically replace (sometimes, heavy) equipment, then fuck it, AI can have it.

I can do some of what I do remotely but my boss and department specifically wants asses in seats. Our phone support group might be cooked though.

At 46, I'm too old for Desktop Support anyway. Truck driving sucks but maybe they need asses in seats too.

[–] Kereru@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry to hear that meow-hug

So far in my tech bubble I haven't seen lay-offs explicitly due to AI, but there's been increasing usage of it to produce more content. So it's reducing the demand for contract writers and producers.

Tech does seem cooked at the moment, but I assume that's mostly due to no more free money.

I really wish Graeber was still here, I need the Bullshit Jobs vs AI synthesis.

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As someone looking to go back to community college to pursue a new degree (did general studies during covid) so I can escape retail hell, this is pretty scary. I've considered some kind of tech major (like CIS), mainly because I doubt I have the ability or energy to pursue engineering at this point, and non-STEM degrees are considered memes. But it seems pretty dire right now. And it seems like everything is fucked. Maybe the bubble will pop eventually but it does feel like we've crossed an event horizon.

I hope things work out for you and your wife, comrade.

[–] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Majoring in cis. Idk about that my man

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Is drug rehab white collar? Im a clinician in a residential treatment program

[–] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think AI could be used, theoretically, to convincingly create the illusion of practically any job being done, but it’s non- insignificant chance of “hallucinating” which grows more likely the more something requires subjective experience to properly analyze means the quality of job output is going to get worse and worse over time until all of philosophy and media is filled with a glut of completely meaningless slop and we do our best not to starve to death by selling our bodies for manual labor which is only compensated to the degree which it is cheaper than building a machine to do it

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As AIs get less novel real-world data to use, significant AI collapse will be real in our time. They are fundamentally reliant on human experience, so yeah, as fewer humans do the job, the quality will dive.

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

For now, eventually they'll do as they did in retail, slowly revert back when they realize AI just can't adapt to all the scenarios they require it to, most importantly at the pricepoint they need (see the OG industrial revolution and machines, think there was a piece in vol 2 of capital) and lacks comprehension, it can pattern recognize all day but struggles with context. We lack the infrastructure for full much less partial automatization, computers require certain temps, humidity, electricity, etc, humans under capital do not, we're considered free to replace since very few places do any sort of training (expect you to come in fully trained for whatever the position is) vs what computers, networks and powerplants need to get going along with you must train AI for anything meaningful, and train it a lot.

Sure, we're at the point anyone can run LLMs on any standard gaming rigs from 10 years ago, but they're not that great, and it still requires all that infrastructure modern capital balks at upgrading or replacing, also a properly tuned network will btfo of any lone rig LLM with maybe a few exceptions, again thanks to capital (ex homebrew chatbot on a 4790k beats chatgpt3.5, but only because they want you to pay for all their outages thanks to our grid and internet being overcooked sad spaghetti).

For now? Survive, maybe try getting a more physical CS job, the pay isn't going to be great though, but software is getting the race to the floor treatment for some time. Or get into something being a system tenderer where AI is sort of messy legally, maybe medical, but I expect that to have some sort of really nasty crunch soon.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

if i understood the capital correctly (i probably didnt) this will only lead to diminishing profits as all competition slowly adopts it unless they can keep a monopoly.

either way ai can't replace human workers that well yet, they will royally fuck up and we will somehow pay the price for it.

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