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    [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 136 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Windows 12: Paintbrush now comes with ads to Microsoft's subscription AI Paintbrush service. Also bucket fill is now a $0.49 DLC.

    [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "What to make quick copies of certain areas of the image? Buy 100 packs of both 'Copy' and 'Paste' tokens now on sale in the Microsoft store! Each use of Copy or Paste function uses only 1 token. Make sure you stock up for 'Back to School'!"

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    And don't forget! you have to pay to shut down your pc!

    [–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Not only that. Pay to get even more ads and tracking!

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

    What a deal!1!!!1

    [–] kale@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    That's despicable. Us real users will subscribe to Windows (I'll subscribe to the basic package with the CMD/powershell add-on package). Windows will bundle the subscription with my Office 365 subscription so I only have one easy monthly payment! Plus my Fusion 360 and Photoshop subscription, Backblaze subscription, Google Drive subscription......

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago

    That's going to be in the free upgrade to Windows 10 and 11. Back porting some critical features to old, but still supported releases, is an essential part of good customer support.

    [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 118 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows?

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Technically it was just a Microsoft Tech Evangelist that said that, in a non official capacity, and I'm pretty sure the sales people took him to the torture chamber after that.

    From a technical point of view, there was nothing stopping Microsoft from making Windows 10 a rolling release, so I can see how some naive fools might have convinced themselves that their employer wouldn't be shitty to their users for the first time ever.

    [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

    It wasn't just a tech evangelist. Our Microsoft sales people were telling us that feature updates would mean no more major os versions.

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    at some point we'll be renting windows, not buying it. so there will be a "last windows you'll ever buy". if microsoft had their way, we'd be at that point now (they've run trials on subscription-based windows way back in the early win7 days). but us lowly users are probably 'safe' until whatever's after 12.

    [–] Perfide@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I would agree if not for the fact they keep making it easier to get windows for free. I haven't bought windows in over a decade, activation is easy af, the days of sketchy malware riddled keygens are long gone.

    The truth is worse, imo. They don't need individual consumers to pay for the OS, OEM licenses are where they make bank anyways. At the consumer level, you're never gonna sell enough copies, even on a subscription model, to profit more than you would be from giving it away for free, getting everyone using it, and then simply selling their data until the end of time.

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    [–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 76 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Don't let your guard down. Maybe this time they'll fully pull the TPM/UEFI trigger and make it impossible to install any other OS on new PCs... they have lots of leverage over manufacturers to tighten the screws on the BIOS and boot process.

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    The European Commission would appreciate the multi billion euro "donation" from Microsoft if they did something so obviously anti competitive.

    [–] DetectiveKakuna@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I agree, but also when has a threat of a fine ever stopped a capitalist from doing what they want? They just call it the cost of doing business.

    [–] fluxion@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

    Or doing it regionally

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    [–] CreeperODeath@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Time to learn how to hack motherboards I guess

    [–] fluxion@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

    Time to not buy from shitty OEMs that agree to do this

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    [–] MickeySwitcherooney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Win 12 is obligated to be good due to the "every other version of Windows" rule, which has been true forever.

    [–] afunkysongaday@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Let's agree on "less bad".

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    [–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Windows 11 has tabbed file explorer, a package manager, it's quick, the interface looks nice and feels nice, and it's been really stable for me. I don't know where the complaints are at, it's been great. All they need to do is regress all of the ads-in-your-OS stuff from 10. Bring back the start menu that doesn't hang for 30 seconds looking something up online before showing you your installed programs.

    [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    (They're not going to regress that)

    (They'll add more)

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    [–] Lightning66@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Windows 12 dev employee: what if ... what if... We break the taskbar into bits.

    Wait wait wait.... I think we can uh... maybe just maybe not add bloat... Turns around to see the employer.... Gulp

    Turns back to screen... Adding bloat is always the answer... Right boss?

    [–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 years ago

    I am waiting for an taskbar, entirely replaced by bing chat. You will never find anything with seconds of the delay, besides internet websites and is horrible to use with bad internet. Offline mode will also not be available anymore, because Microsoft needs funktion critical telemetry

    [–] visak@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

    The Start menu will now be hosted in SharePoint Online so that your shortcuts are available everywhere!

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    [–] requiem@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Kindof proud to say I never installed anything after Windows 10, including that.

    [–] Bogasse@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Same after Windows 8.1 ! πŸ₯³

    I've had to use Windows 11 a tiny bit for work and it was the most painful experience I had for a while. Most apps I used on there had obvious bugs, like the VPN chosen by my company requiring me to reboot every time it goes to sleep ...

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    [–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago
    [–] art@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows.

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    ..before the year of the Linux desktop

    [–] phil_m@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

    I think we reached a singularity here...

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    [–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 22 points 2 years ago

    Probably only supports chromium browsers, such as the only browser you'll ever need Microsoft ~~Explorer~~ Edgeβ„’

    [–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Used Ubuntu for a year and while initially it was nice, I got tired of having to spend two weeks learning which magic spells to chant at my computer every time I wanted to install a given application.

    I'd use Mac again, except that it tries to punish you every time you go outside the Apple box. For me, Windows is the right balance of ease of use, scaling degrees of complexity, and ability to boldly go where I have no damn business going.

    Your experience may vary, and that's good, because you shouldn't have to like what I like, and vice versa.

    [–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

    I've actually started to find Windows to be more difficult than Linux for many things.

    Simply because windows requires using config user interfaces and they keep on changing where the setting UI I need to use can be found. When I search for instructions on how to do something, many times the instructions are for a different version of windows so I have to spend a lot of time trying to find where they've moved the setting to.

    Sure some bash command can seem basically like a magic incantation. But I've learned enough to understand bash well enough to know when an incantation is suspicious, the rest is just copy and pasting text into a terminal window.

    And really "apt install" is what I'm doing 99% of the time. Sure it's not clicky clicky, but it's consistent.

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    [–] Xeknos@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    10's my last one. I'll be going on a linux journey here soon enough - maybe keep a dual boot of 10 on a separate SSD for the games I absolutely can't get to work in linux, but they can keep their Windows 11/12.

    [–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I'm right there with you.

    Microsoft (and honestly a lot of mainstream software) has been slowly evolving over the years from providing robust, full-featured products that allow you build your own workflows to shipping things with an inherent "paradigm" or "ideology" on how they should be used. Mostly (unsurprisingly) to the ends of data collection, ad serving, and profit driving. Gross, gross, gross.

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    [–] neutron@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 years ago

    I'm sticking to my win10 LTSC vm whenever something doesn't run on wine. I dont like it when candy crush appears on the start menu.

    [–] WheatleyInc@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Microsoft stinks, I use Windows because I'm lazy. MAC is so much worse though, why have I never heard a Linux user criticize MAC?

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    /me waves from thΓ© back.

    [–] gamey@feddit.rocks 4 points 2 years ago

    Most of us used Windows before and a Mac is a lot closer to Unix (many Terminal applications and stuff work well) but from a usability standpoint the completely walled garden is awful and bashing Apple is one of my favorite hoppies, iOS and their hardware are just even better attack surfaces and I like low hanging fruits!

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    [–] mdurell@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

    Homer should be labeled "Red Hat" in this day and age.

    [–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Since switching to Linux in 2007, I have touched Windows only when paid to do so. Each successive move by Microsoft has affirmed for me that I made the correct decision. At this point, I would just not use a computer at home if my only way to do so was with Windows on it.

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