Reddit is only valuable because of the content users provide. If you don’t post valuable content, the site is worthless. Reddit can force subs back open, but they can’t force users to submit the content that makes the site valuable to begin with.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
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This is what Reddit forgot. They don't implicitly provide any value, it's the community that provides the value. Reddit is just the place where people happen to post.
So...do we know if Reddit iself is behind flooding subs with comments about how mods are being jerks and hurting the communities pointlessly? It's weird, the same kinds of comments in every sub I'm in. Also lots of comments about how Lemmy is too complicated. 😆
Given how much they have lied about already and the crap Huffman has pulled in the past, I would not doubt it in the least. I am sure they are doing all sorts of mind-games crap like this to try and keep users from fleeing. They have to be freaking out right about now.
All I can do as a user is take my content and time elsewhere. Which is why I'm here. Hoping that like has happened on mastodon, we will slowly move past the "Reddit news" phase and just transition into people contributing to communities and building apps for Lemmy/Kbin.
There have been screenshots of pro-admin/anti-mod comments that were clearly written by chatGPT (e.g. including the "as a neural network" or whatever boilerplate). They could be fakes or false flags, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were real.
The "Lemmy is too complicated" part I can believe is organic from normie Redittors, though.
I used to go to the /r/nfl free talk threads and the day after it opened HUNDREDS of new accounts were posting talking about how the mods were pussies and blah blah.
It felt fucking surreal like 2016 Russian bot astroturfing all over again.
I've suspected Reddit's ownership of running bots on their own platform for awhile. This feels like confirmation, to me.
i feel like speez is the ultimate reddit troll... a weird embodiment of the negative aspects of the spirit of the site.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
maybe more subs should fight with this. it is kinda funny. i would love to see reddit flop from this.
Not just that but moderation curating that content prevents the site from enshittifying and degenerating into sludge.
People complain about mods but without mods you get essentially a forum where every poster is ChatGPT.
This is epic level malicious compliance. Best way to run a SFW sub into the ground is opening it up to NSFW content.
"The one trick that all advertisers hate!" LOL
TIL reddit cant run ads on NSFW Subreddits!
that actually makes a lot of sense when i think of the banning of NSFW over API, damn, get that money spez
Did that include the reddit app? If someone had their subscription set up with only NSFW subs would that not display ads on their home feed?
Realistically nothing is stopping them from doing so it’s their own policies which is kinda dumb af. All they’d have to do is prevent ads from brands that don’t want to be associated with it from showing there.
The fact they don’t show advertisements on NSFW subs/posts just tells me their advertising tools and targeting are absolutely sub par.
As a professional marketer and advertiser, that's not correct.
What keeps them from doing it is that most high-dollar advertisers don't want their ads/brand appearing next to NSFW content.
It's probably more difficult for Reddit to filter out NSFW ad impressions rather than just let ads appear anywhere. But advertisers demand it, so they have to do it to get the dollars.
Keep turning reddit into a shitshow and you'll keep hemorrhaging users.
I support their decision. If admins are going to be dicks, then so be it. I hope they'll enjoy it.
It's r/interestingassfuck now
'interesting as fuck' sounds a lot different to someone from India
Why India specifically?
Because I have heard people from India use the word like that, in a semi-broken English way (not criticizing, I mean, I speak zero other languages at all besides really bad Spanish). As in "I am wanting a for girl for fuck' or something like that.
UPDATE: So apparently the former r/jailbait mod that is The CEO purged the sub's mods and forced the sub to re-reopen under the old rules.
Mission failed! We'll get them next time!
It's a porn sub and it's more inclusive now, unless Reddit wants to keep discriminating against sex workers.
this subreddit is archived and no longer accepting submissions.
I guess it wasn't that easy to find those replacement mods.
I didn't see it mentioned, but reddit apparently doesn't advertise in nsfw subs, so it has more value than just the laughs it gives us.
They are clearly itching to ban NSFW content site wide (paid API doesn't even include NSFW posts). This sort of thing might make a good excuse.
But at the same time, who is going to enforce that? The unpaid moderators you just fired? LOL
A lot of their users would leave.
It was why spez championed subs like /r/jailbait staying open until they got bad publicity in the mainstream press.
Why does reddit consolidating all nsfw content delivery under its website and first party app suggest they want to stop NSFW content?
They don't want to deal with the legal implications of it. Spez has said ad nauseum that they don't want to risk 3PA providing NSFW content to users that Reddit is not allowed to serve because they don't want to be held responsible for that. Especially now that some US states are requiring actual ID verification for 18+ content.
While Spez is a lying weasel, I don't doubt that Reddit is worried about NSFW-related lawsuits, bad press, and ad revenue impact.
And, the next step after having control of the content is to further restrict it.
Yeah, I simultaneously don't blame them, and suspect a high amount of their traffic comes from NSFW forums. Allegedly Spez was a /r/Jailbait mod and if so, eww, he should have known better.
I wouldn't blame them for trying to find a way to monetize the NSFW content, because it's become a dumping ground for Onlyfans promotion.
Reddit could require some kind of verification on the account level and still allow 3rd party apps to work though. Seems like an excuse or they are just being lazy.
The sub is now /r/InterestingANDFuck. I'm sure this is worse for Spez than the John Oliver sub changes, which I also approve of. Everyone knows advertisers love NSFW content being just out there for anybody to stumble upon.
Edit: Forgot an "ing" in the new sub name.
I love how Mods Tell they are "forced" what is reddit gonna Do otherwise? Dont pay them?
Oh wait....
People get suckered into the sunk-costs fallacy all of the time, and managers of large communities are going to be extra prone to it when they're told they'll have "their communities" taken away from them.
Remember, these people are fighting to "save Reddit". They see the possibility of having corporate friendly scabs take over as a community-destroying and a Reddit destroying proposition.
The event horizon of a black hole is the 2-dimensional surface across which the possibility of turning back is eliminated. At that point, space and time become so twisted that there is no longer an "outwards" direction. Every road leads in. But in supermassive black holes, that event horizon is so far away from the centre that the actual tidal forces -- the forces which pull things apart when they're near large gravity sources -- are remarkably weak. You would not notice the difference between being 1 km above the event horizon and 1 km beneath it. If you weren't being careful, you could cross that event horizon without ceremony and without realizing you'd doomed yourself.
This is how it is with big services, too. The thing that makes them irrelevant happens long before revenues or usage decline. In fact, there's likely still growth! But there'll be an inflection point in the acceleration that those who don't know what to look for won't even notice. Then it could take months, or even years, for things to turn around and decay into nothing of value.
These mods are trying to save something that has already experienced its killing blow. Something that will cease being what it was long before it ceases to be. Something that has already quietly -- though not too quietly -- slipped past the event horizon.
The hard scifi nerd in me appreciated that metaphor.
I would like to say that this analogy owns.
I fear for the fate of other subreddits who may also be forced open.
Mine is closed. But considering it has under 500 subscribers...
... Well, let's just say if Spez forced mine to open, then the site would literally be on fire.