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Thread update: Prigozhin's fucking dead.

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The BRICS summit will begin on Tuesday and end on Thursday, with various world leaders, politicians, and representatives meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa.

America's anxiety about the summit has been obvious. They have been complicating the event by pushing for the arrest warrant for Putin to be upheld if he steps foot in the country. While this is a remarkably dangerous and unhinged thing to do - even by America's standards - to the leader of a nuclear superpower who could end the world within an hour, it does betray their desperation. Unfortunately, for those of us who wanted to see Putin surrounded by an army of security guards fending off people holding handcuffs, he has sent his Foreign Minister, Lavrov, in his place. Additionally, America has likely been spreading rumors about the lack of interest in gaining new members in the organization.

With apparently 20 countries formally seeking membership and another 20 informally doing so, the bloc has been elevated, whether they like it or not, to the position of the international vanguard of the non-western world. It is extremely important to say that this is not the same as it becoming an anti-American bloc, and many of them (including original members Brazil and India) wish to keep a friendly relationship with the United States. Nonetheless, with the United States' policy of "if you are not with us, you are against us," and as the US seeks to weaken China, in coming years many of them might find themselves under hostile pressure.

BRICS has to try and solve many problems if they are going to chip away at America's stranglehold of the world economy. These problems - like mitigating the dollar's status as a global reserve currency, and America's dominant role in the world economy - are extremely complicated, and will takes years, even decades, to be overcome. Therefore, one should temper their expectations and excitement for this summit. It took tens of millions of deaths in cataclysmic wars, and then several more decades, for America to reach its current position. I see no reason to believe why its downfall will be any less bloody and elongated.

To end on a less depressing note, I've been searching for appropriate anagrams given the list of countries that seek to join BRICS. Obviously not all of them will make it in, but even so. The best I've come up with is HIBISCUS EMANCIPATES BBBBKKRVV.

(also, "bulletins and news discussion" can be rearranged to "libidinous newsstands uncles".)


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

This week's first update is here in the comments.

This week's second update is here in the comments.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago

It's prigover ooooooooooooooh

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago

Big Serge's take:

The distribution of who is celebrating, indifferent, or outraged by Prigozhin's death (or at least, feigning these emotions) is fascinating and bizarre. People in the Russian sphere nodding in tacit approval, western publications calling him a "dissident", it's all over the map. Personally, I tend to view things in a very mechanistic way, so rather than think of this as "good" or "bad" the word that pops into my mind is "inevitable".

[–] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

All those who deliberately embarked on the path of betrayal will suffer inevitable punishment. The Russian Armed Forces received the necessary order.

Putin on June 24th, one day after Prigo’s farce. Putin’s words often take a while to sink in, but he’s not someone you should take lightly or ignore what he says. Everyone was saying his speech was underwhelming at the time because it got hyped up as being a big declaration, but it was low key just a stated death threat. Not even threat. Just a statement of fact that he would assassinate Prigo and his ilk.

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[–] Melina@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I just spoke to brace (we’re close friends) expect Wagner two part episodes in the coming month

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago

So apparently the entire command staff of Wagner might have been on that jet. Seems like an awfully convenient "crash" if that's true... https://nitter.net/ragipsoylu/status/1694405239820980509#m

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago

Prigo is kill, elevate Putin to gigachad because he definitely purged the guy trust me.

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Prigo wasn't assassinated, his plane just did that.

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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (6 children)

At Least 6 Soldiers Attacked by Coyotes, Treated for Injuries While Training at Fort Johnson

At least six Alaska National Guardsmen were attacked by coyotes during a rotation to the Joint Readiness Training Center, or JRTC, in Louisiana in July.

Soldiers assigned to the 297th Infantry Regiment were injured when they encountered up to four coyotes while training at Fort Johnson, Louisiana, according to a base spokesperson. The soldiers likely encountered a den and were attacked by the wild dogs, suffering bite marks to their arms and head.

The soldiers were all treated for injuries and released from medical care. Fort Johnson wildlife officials shot one of the coyotes and captured another for rabies testing. The soldiers were armed with rifles but were training with blanks, which is common in the training environment.

It's unclear if the soldiers provoked the coyotes. Service members are routinely briefed before trained events to not interact with wildlife.

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[–] wrecker_vs_dracula@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It's unclear if the soldiers provoked the coyotes.

For the folks who don’t live in North America, coyotes basically never attack humans. They are not considered dangerous. I have seen confrontational behavior from a coyote only once, and it was because I got near a den. They sent out a single coyote to stand firmly between me and the den and growl a little. You would have to be really dumb to miss the message.

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

You would have to be really dumb

soldiers

same-picture

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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago

Oh thank God, I thought I didn't actually understand modern Russian politics for abit there. Alright boys, it's business as usual.

It's going to be really funny if Pringles actually shows up alive after this.

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least Prigo finally got his ammunition

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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (9 children)

USS Howard sustained ‘soft grounding’ near Bali ahead of port visit

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The Japan-based guided-missile destroyer Howard, whose commanding officer was fired Saturday, suffered a “soft grounding” this month as it pulled into Bali for a scheduled port visit, according to Navy officials.

“On the morning of Aug. 10, USS Howard (DDG 83) experienced an apparent soft grounding shortly before arriving in Bali, Indonesia for a scheduled port visit,” Lt. Luka Bakic, a spokesperson for U.S. 7th Fleet, said in an email to Navy Times. “Upon indication of potential grounding, watch standers took immediate action to protect the crew and the ship.”

“The ship was able to return to normal operations under its own power and propulsion,” Bakic said. “There were no injuries as a result of the mishap.”

The incident is currently under investigation, according to Bakic.

The Navy relieved the destroyer’s commanding officer, Cmdr. Kenji Igawa, from his duties Saturday “due to loss of confidence in his ability to command,” the service said in a statement. It’s unclear if the grounding and Igawa’s ouster are connected.

Cmdr. Igawa will be administratively reassigned to the staff of Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet,” the Navy said in a statement Sunday.

Former commanding officer of the guided-missile cruiser Robert Smalls and guided-missile destroyer John McCain, Capt. Edward Angelinas, is filling in as commanding officer until a permanent replacement is identified for the Howard.

Angelinas assumed command of the McCain in October 2017, after the ship’s commanding officer and executive officer were fired following the vessel’s fatal collision in August. The mishap killed 10 sailors.

This is the fleet China is supposed to be afraid of data-laughing

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Are US officials signaling a new ‘forever war’ in Ukraine?

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By Responsible Statecraft, the American realist camp.

A forever war seems to be brewing in Ukraine.

Last week, I argued that given the failure of Kyiv’s summer offensive to reclaim significant territory from Russia and given the maximalist rhetoric that the U.S. government and NATO allies had been using since last year to sell the public on open-ended military support, the war in Ukraine was in danger of being prolonged again, well past the date that the Biden administration had appeared to set last year.

This increasingly looks to be the case. On Saturday, the Financial Times reported that “U.S. officials are privately girding for what increasingly looks like a war of attrition that will last well into next year,” echoing an earlier Wall Street Journal report that “military strategists and policymakers across the West are already starting to think about next year’s spring offensive” and about “how to prepare for a protracted conflict.”

It may well become “a protracted struggle that lasts several more years,” the Journal warned on Sunday, noting that Ukraine’s goal of retaking all the territory it lost now “appears a distant prospect.”

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In other words, the United States and NATO are moving the goalposts again in a war that has already been characterized by steady mission creep. At least some of their Russian counterparts appear to feel the same, with former Russian President and Deputy Security Council Chairman Dmitry Medvedev recently saying that “should it take years or even decades, then so be it.”

Yet this begs the question of when it will ever be considered a good time to wind down the war. The Ukrainian government and its supporters maintain that it’s a lack of advanced military weapons that have hobbled its offensive, even as military experts insist no weapon would be a “magic bullet” against the dug-in Russian defenses and that the reasons for Kyiv’s military failures run deeper. This is not an unreasonable take given the significant amount of Western-supplied heavy weaponry destroyed in the offensive’s opening weeks alone.

If the next offensive similarly fails, will a ceasefire be pushed back again? How many years might this go on for?

Even if Kyiv does stage a successful operation against Russian forces in the future, it’s not clear it will lead to an end of the war. For one, Moscow may decide to launch its own counter-offensive to erase whatever gains Ukrainian forces have made, starting perhaps an endless cycle of military toing-and-froing. Or we could have a repeat of last fall, when Kyiv and its NATO backers, emboldened by the major gains made in Ukraine’s September counter-offensive, rejected the idea of talks to insead pursue “total victory,” at ultimately disastrous cost.

Even now, Ukrainian leaders and many of its Western supporters still maintain the maximalist goals of restoring the country’s pre-2014 borders, which includes retaking Crimea.

Ironically, a prolonged war is exactly what at least some NATO officials had hoped for from the start in order to trap Russia in its own Afghanistan-like blunder, with the New York Times reporting in March 2022 that the administration “seeks to help Ukraine lock Russia in a quagmire.”

But a prolonged war will not be good for Ukraine, which has already suffered breathtakingly vast human and economic costs from a protracted war, and which falls further and further into debt with every month. And it will not be good for the rest of the world either, feeding into worldwide cost-of-living shocks while carrying the already twice-averted possibility of a catastrophic NATO-Russia war that could turn nuclear.

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[–] puff@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would you not just enjoy your exile/retirement in Belarus? It's actually a gorgeous country with lots of nature and wildlife.

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Teamsters just ratified their contract with UPS with 86% voting yes

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's something unpredictable

But in the end, it's right

I hope you had the time of your life

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] TalkingDuck@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)
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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Donald trump’s bail set to 200K in Georgia election case

Hogs will have that covered practically instantly

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[–] trompete@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Germany's Baerbock decries weak impact of Russia sanctions

"Economic sanctions should have an economic impact. But that is not the case. Because the logic of democracies does not work in autocracies."

New economic theory just dropped.

"We have learned that with rational decisions, rational measures, agreed between civilized governments, it is not possible to end this war," Baerbock said in the interview carried out on July 10.

Again with the chauvinism. They don't say what her conclusion to this is, but I'll bet it involves kidnapping people and marching them into mine fields.

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[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Channel 4 in the UK gave the predictable rundown on how Prigozhin's death will help Ukraine win the war blah blah blah but then had a slideshow of pictures and videos of him over the end credits of the news like he was a beloved celeb who just died, it was super weird lmao

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is the BRICS thing in Joburg? Maybe I should give it a visit lol. I'll be sure to be the most cringe crank leftist possible, in order to give us a good name hexbear-retro

[–] DictatrshipOfTheseus@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You could go be the on-the-ground correspondent for Channel Hexbear's NewsMega. Tell us what's happening with live updates and each time close with "back to you, SeventyTwoTrillion."

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The building blocks of propaganda is focus, not lies. My western mainstream TV news had a segment about "patriotic" youth camps in Russia where pre-teens go to do flag-shagging and military larping. It is some truly fucked up chud shit and the "journalists" made every effort to hammer home that point. They even had an expert in Russian children's culture on to talk about how the Russian chud camps were a form of child abuse.

I have no reason to believe the "journalists" were lying, for all I know they were telling a true story about some fucked up shit in Russia.

However, the only reason they bring that story is because it happens in Russia. When similar forms of indoctrination happens in the Aryan "garden" countries it is reported in much friendlier terms, if it is reported at all. Things like American school children chanting a nationalist propaganda pledge or going to JROTC or the very similar camps in the Baltics are treated much gentler.

Oh and by the way, one thing that made me really sad was to see how the Russian youth chud camp used the same kind of red scarves the young pioneers did back in the days. It was sad to see footage of children with red scarves around their necks hoist the tsarist white-blue-red rag while singing a bastardised version of the Soviet anthem. It all gave the vibes of being a pale imitation of the USSR.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Dreaming of a buddy comedy where Prigozhin and Trudeau fake their deaths and travel the world in disguises.

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Owning the Revisionists by training hyper reactionaries

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[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

so BRICS was originally a term from western economists to highlight investment opportunities in growing economies, so the countries decided to form into a bloc that has at this point become the greatest alternative to the west-led international order?

common western economist L

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[–] GamerGulag@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

thank you mr putin for showing your commitment to denazification by starting at home rat-salute

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

https://www.rt.com/news/581894-biden-tiktok-control-censorship-bytedance/

Biden administration sought control over TikTok - report

The Biden administration sought to gain control over nearly every aspect of the inner workings of social media behemoth TikTok as part of negotiations allowing its continued operation in the US, according to a draft agreement obtained by Forbes last week.

I think this is the forbes article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2023/08/21/draft-tiktok-cfius-agreement

A Draft Of TikTok’s Plan To Avoid A Ban Gives The U.S. Government Unprecedented Oversight Power

Maybe this was posted before?

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There are protests levied against Russia because of:ukkkraine: during the BRICS summit and of course it's mostly :lmayo: suburbanites from Sandton.

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[–] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The European economy continues to be crushed from losing their cheap energy supply from Russia and increasing interest rates to chase US Fed rate hikes with no end in sight, as detailed in the release of Flash Germany PMI and Flash Eurozone PMI yesterday.

Germany’s Composite PMI has cratered from July’s 48.5 to the current 44.7. Anything below 50 means production is shrinking, which is bad.

Note: Composite PMI shows the combination of both Manufacturing Output Index and Service Business Activity Index.

From the commentary:

Commenting on the flash PMI data, Dr. Cyrus de la Rubia, Chief Economist at Hamburg Commercial Bank, said:

"Any hope that the service sector might rescue the German economy has evaporated. Instead, the service sector is about to join the recession in manufacturing, which looks to have started in the second quarter. Our GDP nowcast model, which incorporates the PMI flash estimate, now indicates a deeper fall of the whole economy than it did before, at almost -1%.

“Stagflation is an ugly thing. However, it’s exactly what is happening to the services economy, as activity has started to shrink while prices have shot up again, even picking up pace. When inflation cannot be tamed in the eurozone’s biggest economy, this is bad news for the ECB.

“Manufacturing output took another hit in August, dropping even faster. Having said this, there is a glimmer of hope that the downturn in industry is nearing its bottom. Indeed, the downward trend in the PMI measures of new orders and stock of purchases have lost momentum. This could well mean that the inventory cycle is only a few months away from a turnaround.

“The rate of decline in new export orders eased in August, though demand from abroad is still shrinking quickly. We take this development as the first tentative sign that the global economy’s industrial sector is about to stabilize sooner rather than later.

“The fall in services activity has only just started as new business declined for the second month in a row and companies showed reluctance to hire new staff. However, services companies seem to feel surprisingly bold jacking up prices at an even quicker rate."

Eurozone is not doing any better either, as the bloc falls into stagflation (sharp rise in unemployment while inflation remains elevated)

Commenting on the flash PMI data, Dr. Cyrus de la Rubia, Chief Economist at Hamburg Commercial Bank, said:

“The service sector of the eurozone is unfortunately showing signs of turning down to match the poor performance of manufacturing. Indeed, service companies reported shrinking activity for the first time since the end of last year, while output in manufacturing dropped again. Considering the PMI figures in our GDP nowcast leads us to the conclusion that the eurozone will shrink by 0.2% in the third quarter.”

“ECB president Christine Lagarde sounded the alarm that the economy may be faced with higher wages and lower productivity, leading to higher inflation. It seems like those worries are about to turn into reality, at least for the vast service sector. For, in this sector input prices and thus wages increased at an accelerated pace in August. Meanwhile, stagnating employment combines with decreasing production and results therefore in lower output per head. As a result, the ECB may be more reluctant to pause the hiking cycle in September.”

“Is a bottom in sight in the manufacturing sector? Perhaps, as the PMI headline index, though still in shrinking territory, has increased somewhat. This happened on the back of a slightly better order situation as well as slower destocking. The higher confidence that output will be higher one year from now fits into this narrative. A real turnaround may only happen in the first quarter of next year, however, as the PMI starts from a rather low level.”

“The downward pressure on the economy of the eurozone in August stems mainly from the German service sector which switched from growth to contraction at an unusual pace, while the French service providers reduced their activity at a similar speed as the month before. In the manufacturing sector, Germany’s firms are reducing their output at a much faster pace than the French ones. This will only fuel the discussion of Germany being the sick man of Europe.”

The Flash United Kingdom PMI also showing the same trend - disaster ahead.

At this point, it is not even worth discussing about re-joining the EU, which is now a moribund case. Better look to Asia if they want to survive.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

whether it was Russia or Ukraine that did it, if Utkin and Prigozhin are dead and it doesn't result in Wagner Mutiny: The Squeakquel, then I see this as an absolute win

(aside from the others who may have been on board, though if they're on Prigozhin's private plane then they're probably also Wagner chuds?)

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[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

She Prigozhin on my plane till I crashed

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Woke: Epstein didn't kill himself

Bespoke: Prigozhin killed himself

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