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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a nothing article. There's no reason to have ever assumed it was a constitutional right

There's plenty of other, much better reasons to justify the need for stable climate.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's not about justifying the need for a livable climate, but being able to legally enforce the future having one.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The constitution also doesn't deny the right to a stable climate, if that is what you mean.

It just has nothing to do with it.

[–] datszechuansauce 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Justify the existence of national parks then

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure why you're here 4 days later...but nothing in the constitution says they can't have national parks.

Again, the issue is just it has nothing to do with it. There's easily other avenues to go about than the constitution.

[–] datszechuansauce 1 points 2 years ago

Why are you here? And if nothing in the constitution says we can't have national parks, nothing in it says we can't regulate a stable climate.

I don't even really disagree with you that there are better ways to go about it. It's just stupid to agree with their claim.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Your right, but this needs to change. In order to stop Billionaires from ensuring there isn't a single functional ecosystem, legal actions will be necessary.

[–] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Then possibly something needs to change - add a new Amendment or something. But to claim that old laws written with an old understanding of how the world works needs to somehow carry the semantic weight of something it was never written to do seems a bit much.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that be the EPA's job? I do wish they had more power or were more strict when it came to climate change measures. I did find this though: https://www.epa.gov/climate-change

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Ya, the funding cuts make it tough to do though. The EPA actually just decided to not reevaluate the smog standards showing the inability to do much at all.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

I mean, they're right. Nothing in the constitution says anything about the climate.

In this case I don't think "It's not a constitutional right" means "so I guess we're going to do nothing". It's just that some legal groundwork needs to happen.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 14 points 2 years ago

Except this case was denied by the Supreme Court in 2018,

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

requires the federal government to maintain a climate that supports human life.

maybe-later-kiddo

Unironically this is a new frontier of ghoul behevior. The next time a person tells me some shit like Biden is "the most progressive president since FDR" I'm straight up spitting in their face.

[–] Encode1307@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Biden can't just dictate DOJ positions. DOJ is saying that, as a matter of law the Constitution doesn't say that. That if they use that argument in court, they'll lose. They're not saying that's a good thing and they're certainly not saying that Biden doesn't care about climate change.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Who's the most progressive president since fdr?

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

FDR was really the only slightly good (post-Lincoln) US president. And that was really only because he knew heads were going to start rolling if the government didn't throw some bones to the working class.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who was the most progressive president since fdr?

Your original comment suggested you have an opinion on this

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't really have an opinion on it, I think it's a meaningless aphorism.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago
[–] cynetri@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago
[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I think he was saying the line between FDR and the other presidents is so wide that calling anyone else progressive by comparison would essentially be changing what it means to be progressive.

[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

LBJ if u ignore the vietnam war, Carter. Probably JFK too. shrug-outta-hecks

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fair reply thanks

I think the insane-o mode pick is Nixon with the clean water act and epa but otherwise....

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who cares? But if you were just talkig about the environment it would be Nixon.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

No one cares and nothing matters, life is pointless.

But this is a message board so we should send messages.

I actually commented about Nixon too, funny enough

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I had any courage, I should keep track of all this shit Biden and his team has done and when CHUDs whine, point to it and ask "He's giving you everything you want, what more do you want?"

God, I wish it was the opposite, both parties favor the left, but Republicans just give the normies lip service, which seems to be what appeases them anyways.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why does it need to be in the US constitution for it to matter?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 2 years ago

Many of my countrymen seem to think if it's not a problem written down on some dusty old piece of paper, at least 1-2 centuries old, it isn't a problem now.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Do you want a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's how you get a Constitutional Amendment.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Don’t need a constitution when everything is on fire or under water

[–] HowMany@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which leads directly to the statement "there is no constitutional right that the government will protect the citizens of this country from harm".

Then what the fuck do we need government for?

The universe only exists for me, god's specialest boy. When I die you all die too! brandon

[–] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Joe Biden is terrible for this country, the DNC needs to stop pushing 80 year old boomers

[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i love how you frame this is some how a thing only the dnc does. especially when the republicant party has done the same and part of it is still trying for the 77 year old russain spy.

[–] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Russia has nothing to do with anything, it's a great scapegoat for the failure of Democrats to actually carry out any of their goals. If the DNC runs Biden then I'm voting third party, I don't want a white trash racist boomer as my President

[–] Encode1307@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Ffs, the DNC had nothing to do with Biden winning and Biden has nothing to do with this DOJ opinion.

[–] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago