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[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No. Space Force chief wants more money, of course there's another disaster coming.

If they were serious about space tech, the first step would be to end all contracts with compromised Elon Musk.

Also, ArsTechnica is kind of a dumpster fire on reporting anything PRC and allowing ethnic slurs in the comment section so take it with a grain of salt.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is how all military branches have always pressured Congress for more budget. They give a public disquisition with doomsday scenarios about our rivals/adversaries so the public will see the press coverage and call their Congressional reps to demand the military gets built up.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is how all military branches have always pressured Congress for more budget.

That's fairly accurate, but that is the military's job.

However, the CCP military rapidly upgrading their orbital and suborbital capabilities should give pause to those who want free and open democratic societies and republics.

Military jingoism and scaremongering can and do exist simultaneously. It's our job to elect people who can responsibly address both hyperbolic alarmism and real threats from aggressive and encroaching adversaries.

Basically: give them some money, but not all of it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

It's something of a cycle that aggressors will claim capabilities that are terrifying and then the US overreacts. When we heard about the Foxbat we built the F-15, even though the former eats its own engines if used at afterburner for more than a minute and would melt if it hit the top speed.

The Space Race happened because we thought the Soviets had way more capability than they did.

Hell, the B-52 only exists because we were convinced the Russians had thousands of bombers.

In reality, the Soviets lied so completely to their population and leadership that they also thought they had that stuff, even though they were basically forcing captured Nazi scientists to copy Western designs.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah. Space Force is looking to justify itself. Not that there's no risk here, but even just getting things into space remains far more expensive than any military value it could provide - not even getting into diplomatic issues of militarizing space.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Attacking reconnaissance satellites is fairly cheap for anyone with even a sub-orbital rocket and can provide a huge amount of military value. If you can make it to geostationary orbit you could cause a lot of havoc, too. It could also trigger Kessler Syndrome which is why we need to take it seriously.

However, my headcanon is that the Space Force was created simply to get the SGC more funding. They even made a TV show about it.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago

The US Space Force, which monitors more than 46,000 objects in orbit, has about 10,000 personnel but is the smallest department of the US military. Its officers are known as “guardians.”

Think they win the most cringe service award.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hey it's my first thought on hearing that Boeing satellite "exploded for no reason".

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I think i agree with the problems you touch on, but i still dont think those are the organization's fault itself, more of an oversight problem

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

China needs us economically as much as we need them for manufacturing. Sure, we're trying to be more independent and make more domestically, and they are trying to be more independent economically through BRICS. Neither country is doing a very good job of attaining their goals of independence, but to keep up appearances both countries like to simultaneously pretend there's not a relationship and also that they are the top in the relationship.

The reality is both countries have some wealthy "oligarchs" who exploit workers and governments that mostly only work to benefit themselves and their oligarch friends. China will take out an oligarch here and there when they decide they're getting too powerful, and Americans get to elect some of our leaders, other than that we're not very different. Deep down both governments understand it would be political suicide to antagonize the other to the point meaningfully harming them. At least both current governments that is, Trump is probably too dumb to realize we need each other, so that's a potential wild card, but North Korea is almost certainly a bigger threat to both the US and China than we will to each other for decades.