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[–] zappson@lemm.ee 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I motion that we postpone this discussion until after the upcoming US Labor Day has passed.

[–] vector_zero@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

No, it's the 4th this year

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

*sigh* Someone has to say that every labor day. When are we going to be able to talk about this?

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I get where this comes from (look up why USA and Canada celebrate Labor Day rather than International Worker's Day) but it's just symbolism, a frivolous issue. Pushing frivolous issues reinforces one of the negative perceptions of the American left common among both centrist Americans and international leftists. People want healthcare, vacation days, material improvements. Not a debate over when a national holiday is.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everytime an American on the left does this, they just set back their own cause. It's enough to make you believe a conspiracy theory of some powers on the right actively encouraging it.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why not have two holidays? ‘Labor day’ like we do now on the first Monday in September AND ‘Labour day’ on May 1 like the rest of the world. Workers deserve at least two holidays dedicated to them.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

We've had one, yes. What about second labor day? -Pippin

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Celebrate "us labor day" like normal and then "international labor day" in May. Easy.

No one wants fewer days off anyway. What could be more in the spirit of celebrating workers?

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[–] IfoundtheF@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

That leaves a huge gap in holidays between July 4th and Thanksgiving. No thanks.

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[–] Mudkipology@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As a warehouse worker in the US, I say it doesn't matter since Labor Day has gradually become "Work normal hours but earn 1.5x pay for it day".

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That's 50% better than a normal day!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

My wife is a nurse and has pretty much the same deal. Which is a mixed blessing

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

like the rest of the world?

I am a confused Canadian

[–] ChewbaccasClitoris@lemmy.nz 11 points 2 years ago

Ditto New Zealander

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

May 1st is too early in the year to stop wearing white.

Particularly since outdoor fuckin' starts on the First of May.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there some place in the US where people actually follow that rule?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The one about wearing white after labor day, or the one about outdoor fuckin'?

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

White after labor day.

I absolutely get the appeal of outdoor fucking.

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[–] YourBrainOnScience@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't rrally care when or if we have labor day as an official holiday. Seems like a pointless token gesture, considering the lack of labor rights and protections in the US.

[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nope. But we should make Worker's Day a federal holiday on May 1st

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Yes but keep the September day as another holiday for workers. Maybe one to celebrate living workers and one for those who died to get us worker protections, like we have Veterans Day and Memorial Day both.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, we don’t know why this date was chosen and don’t much care. Memorial Day is the symbolic start of summer fun and Labor Day is the symbolic end. It’s a great bookmark for kids summer vacation (even if many schools start earlier now) for anyone with a cottage, or even scheduling a vacation.

Having a holiday as the “last hurrah” of summer is more important than which date it falls on. Plus we get all the conservatives on our side by saying May 1 is not ‘murican, it’s international, even commie

Edit: I never knew May 1 had an American origin, nor that the first Monday in September was chosen for convenient timing of holidays

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why does it matter when different countries have different holidays?

I prefer it on a Monday so that I get a long weekend. If it's a specific date all of the time, then if get a random day off in the middle of the week instead which I don't care about. I always prefer to extend my weekend instead.

I actually really dislike that Thanksgiving in the US is always on Thursday. It means I can't travel very far to see family because I always work the day immediately before and after Thanksgiving. So I just have a random day off in the middle of the week.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

We should add May 1st as an additional federal holiday to celebrate labor. We have too many holidays dedicated to the feds celebrating themselves. Surely we can drop at least one to celebrate workers more than we currently do.

[–] Matthew@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago

Why not two Labor Days? The whole point is the day off, after all, so the more the merrier.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While we're at it, can we change the name to "No Labor Day?" 🤔

Always seemed weird to me that it's one of the few days you get a day off, but it's named like it's the only day labor is done.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's named for the Labor movement. maybe you're joking and I'm just dense but... yeah.

"Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements grew, diverse groups of trade unionists chose a variety of days on which to celebrate labor. In the United States, a September holiday called Labor Day was first proposed in the early 1880s."

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[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. The world shouldn't be one homogeneous blob.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As it surely would be if the US had Labor Day on May 1st.

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[–] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would you rather have a day off before working all summer, or a day off after working all summer.

I'd rather have it after.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You get the day off before too. It's Memorial Day.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

No, because that would be letting the commies win. /s

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, as long as you put another holiday in its place. I like having Memorial Day to start the summer and Labor Day to end it.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Same. What would we create to take its plsce?

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

Unofficial End of Summer Day. So, pretty much how Labor Day is actually celebrated.

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[–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To all the confused former British colonies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day#/media/File:Observance_of_International_Workers'_Day_RGBY.svg

Edit: Anyone know what's from with the formatting and that the link doesn't read the whole URL?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

Labor Day and solidarity with workers in other countries sounds like a good match.

[–] beefbaby182@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No.

My birthday is around labor day, so that means once every six or seven years, it gets to fall on labor day.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

September 5th?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am alright, it is pretty much the last day of the year you have shorts temperatures which if nothing else is a reminder of that fact. Maybe have two days off instead?

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Who cares about a stupid holiday. Start using metric.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm fine with it but just give me another holiday that I get to take off work to replace it in the first Monday in September.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Kinda conflicts with May Day, doesn't it?

[–] moipe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So the rest of the United States and I were talking and we are actually planning to change it to September 3rd.

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