studying us history : memes

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Read William Blum. Read William Blum. Read William Blum.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Read Endless holocaust read Endless Holocaust read Endless Holocaust

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

I most certainly will. Thanks for the recommendation.

[–] proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

I did recently, and I highly recommend it as well.

[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago

Jakarta Method moment

[+] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] BenEarlDaMarxist@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Oh boy! Can't wait to know all the man-made horrors, war crimes, and crimes against humanity the United States of America did! Just so I can find my hatred of capitalism all the more justified!"

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The U.S. isn’t going to stop committing atrocities just because you’re not aware they’re doing it

[–] BenEarlDaMarxist@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know, it's just that having the knowledge that they're doing them doesn't stop them from doing atrocities against mankind either. Knowledge is both a blessing and a curse.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Perhaps it won’t stop them, but at least you won’t fall for people downplaying the ones they are currently committing

[+] Sakychu@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes I too hate the Falklands..

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

What point are you trying to make? I really hope it’s not denying genocides and war crimes…

[+] Omgarm@lemmy.world -34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Pretty much all of history has horrors! Endless entertainment.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There’s a special level of evil in genociding indigenous peoples for the fun of it and nuking Japan (who was already ready to surrender) twice!

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were literally warned multiple times and no, they were not trying to surrender.

[–] Buchenstr@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lmao they only refused the unconditional surrender, which detailed the complete occupation of the nation, removal of the emperor, and the arresting of all their politicians which the japanese told the americans it was unacceptable (however they agreed to the occupation).

Well guess what? The fucking americans didn't even bother doing their conditions right and just accepted japans previous proposal, and this was AFTER they firebombed tokyo to dust, and nuked 100,000s of people. What a shitty decrepit nation you have there.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe don't be a genocidal, brutal, horrific, deplorable, inhumane, piece of shit and you won't experience the consequences of your actions.

Japan committed just as many atrocities as the Nazis. They slaughtered/raped/murdered/destroyed thousands of people.

There's a reason they call it the rape of nanking

[–] Buchenstr@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Amazing a settler like you deserves any kind of moral authority when your entire nation has wiped a whole race of people from the face of the earth. Why tf are you even talking to me about Japanese crimes against humanity, I am talking about the unnecessary american war crimes in ww2, japan was a shitty imperialist nation, why would I defend it?

I am not from the country which actively encourages the rehabilitation of the genocidal japanese empire, and seeks a new wave nationalism within japan to share the spear. So how about you list those war crimes to your nearest politician, and get that message to them since they clearly have not got it.

[+] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We didn't nuke Japan for fun. We warned civilians by dropping pamphlets. They had just weaponized the bubonic plague on china. When the bombs were dropped, they had planned on doing the same biological attack on San Francisco in two weeks.

The Japanese were arguably worse than the Nazis, but their evils during the war were erased because they were such a convenient trading partner. Not even their own citizens learn about their atrocities, especially in the way that Germany does.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago

We didn’t nuke Japan for fun

Well, a bit for fun. Eisenhower didn't want to nuke Nagoya because he spent his honeymoon there.

But you're right otherwise, the bombs were dropped because the USSR was making too much headway and preparing a naval invasion of the main island set for mere days after the bombs were dropped, which would have given them an edge at the negotiating table.

warned civilians by dropping pamphlets

Didn't seem to help much, their shadows are still singed against the pavement.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Neither of the atomic bombs had warnings, those were pamphlets for the fire bombings of Tokyo. The goal was to spread fear of what we could do to the whole world. We used Japan as a fucked up example.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The Japanese were arguably worse than the Nazis

Many things they did were problematic, but I don’t remember Japan doing a Holocaust

Edit: Thanks for the info, comrades.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Japan still was commiting genocide during the war. We absolutely shouldn’t downplay Japanese war crimes but we also shouldn’t compare the two as it leads nowhere productive

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Japan still was commiting genocide during the war

They definitely committed war crimes and I don’t mean to downplay this. Was this genocide though?

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20070614140107/http://yale.edu/gsp/publications/WaiKeng.doc

The [Axis] Occupation of Singapore from February 1942 to August 1945 was a particularly momentous period of loss and sacrifice for the Chinese population as compared to other ethnicities, because they were the targets of brutal [Imperial] military policies. During a month of screening procedures and indiscriminate massacres in 1942 known as sook ching, or cleansing operations, an undetermined number of civilians were separated from their families and friends and suffered uncertain fates. In many cases, the last time relatives saw loved ones was at a screening center before the unlucky victims were driven away in trucks to unknown destinations.

[–] Buchenstr@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

it was definitely genocide, what we're criticising is the war crimes committed by the americans.

[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What about the invasion of mainland China? Rape of Nanking? What about the vivisection of living test subjects? Manchurian testing?

They may not have done a holocaust, but they did a lot worse shit in other areas. The medical testing was the worst to learn about. The worst thing is they got away with it, not admitting to any of it until later. Japanese leadership completely skirted any type of Nuremberg-type consequences.

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