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[–] nova@lemm.ee 79 points 2 years ago (19 children)

ITT: A bunch of non-vegans complaining that content posted to a vegan community makes them uncomfortable.

Also ITT: A bunch of people who haven't been convinced to go vegan asserting how to convince people to go vegan. Not them, but other people of course.

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 2 years ago

For the second group, I always like to ask "Why should I use your argument to convince people when it didn't convince you?"

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Seriously, non vegans need to shut the feck up unless they're willing to make the effort to stop hurting animals. Otherwise I'm not interested in their opinions.

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I, on the other hand, went vegan so that I can be justified in not watching those videos blob-no-thoughts

And now instead I get to watch this cute video of a cow that's friends with a dog, without having to repress awkward questions about why animal cruelty is only socially condemned for certain animals and not others.

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[–] twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Not vegan, but I can definitely agree factory farms are vastly underregulated

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[–] Ulv@feddit.nu 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've seen the video i have worked on farms it doesnt bother me terribly

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The videos made me want stricter regulation, it didn't make me want to go vegan or cut down on meat.

But there are other reasons to be a little more conservative with meat in my diet.

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[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I find it hard to understand the disconnect you must experience.

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[–] Lightbritelite@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I feel like that sign is a bit alienating, which is unfortunate because it perpetuates the idea that vegans are holier than thou. As a person that (i think) understands the basic reasoning behind veganism (intentional non-participation in animal exploitation and cruelty?) i wish that more people would consider it. Hey, maybe that should be a sign

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

People have been saying that for decades. It doesn't work. I never understood the concept of "protests shouldn't make me feel uncomfortable or inconvenience me." That kind of undercuts the purpose of a protest and trying to spread a message. If you make it so it's easy to ignore, it doesn't work. Without fail there's always the "ugh, someone who tries to make me feel bad about torturing and killing animals is simply not going to convince me to do otherwise." It's such a shitty excuse.

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[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is something that I often think about in connection with veganism.

I can sit down and watch a video about how vegetables are produced. It might be boring, but I could watch it.

Most carnists, on the other hand, can't sit and watch how hamburger, sausage, cheese, etc. is produced. For them to enjoy that food, they have to ignore all the suffering behind it.

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Highlighting contradictions in people's beliefs is good, actually. If they choose to be willfully ignorant of cruelty while reaping the benefits, then they're not going to face that contradiction from you asking nicely while carefully avoiding any implication that they might be doing something wrong. Rather, it's the opposite - you want to make it as difficult as possible for them to ignore what they're doing. But of course, since they are trying to remain ignorant, it can be expected that they will react with hostility when you call attention to it, no matter how nice and polite you are about it. The only way to avoid provoking such a response is by allowing them to keep the cruelty out of sight and out of mind, in which case they will have little motivation to go vegan and you've rendered yourself useless.

People who have neither been convinced nor convinced others of veganism love to offer their perspective on how we can be more convincing which invariably seems to consist of defanging our criticism and going out of our way to avoid making people to confront the cruel realities caused by their actions.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

A lot of cruelty under capitalism is publicly permitted because people don't see how the metaphorical sausage is made.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be fair, I feel like there's a lot of videos that would traumatize you if you watched them, not just ones related to meat. Sure there's traumatizing videos you should watch, but actively seeking that stuff out seems like no way to live.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ok, but it's about something people actively and blindly participate and fund. Not just folks watching traumatizing videos for fun.

[–] Flughoernchen@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago

Everyone is like "Yeah I know it's bad." But they still actively refuse to acknowledge just how bad it really is.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I didn't even watch the videos. I just saw a video of someone's pet cow who was curled up in a little girl's lap getting a scratch after having been snuck into the porch by the kid, and that was enough. One day the light just goes on.

[–] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (25 children)

I've seen those videos, a lot of them. I still choose to eat meat. I totally disagree with the implication that anyone who eats meat is being willfully ignorant of evidence that would convert them.

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