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NATO viewed favorably across NATO states; Large Shares See Russia and Putin in Negative Light, While Views of Zelenskyy More Mixed (www.pewresearch.org)
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What happened to Poland?!

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"Those who place themselves on the ideological right in several European countries are more likely to express a positive view of the alliance than those on the left. However, in the U.S. and Canada, this pattern is reversed: Those on the left are more likely to say they have a favorable opinion of NATO."

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[โ€“] COMHASH@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is no left or right in these NATO countries. Left is just identity politics over LGBT which rarely addresses their issues and use them as baits for older and conservative people to divide and conquer the masses so that they can say yes to NATOfied militaristic adventures. In the West one part wants war with Russia first, another part wants war with China

[โ€“] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Poland wants war with Russia. The post-Soviet administrations embraced wholeheartedly the false lines about Molotov-Ribbentropp, Katyn, etc.

[โ€“] Drstrange2love@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are looking to be the next beef shield for American interests.

[โ€“] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly I think a decent chuck of the American ruling class would of preferred to maintain somewhat neutral relations with Russia and focus on China instead, but Poland insisted that the rest of NATO follow it's warpath against Russia.

[โ€“] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then why go around couping post-soviet republics and fostering the worst scum in each? There are homegrown Nazis not just in Ukraine, but in each Baltic state at the very least. You know what Poland is like. Georgia? Also nationalists (and likely Nazis too, judging by the "Georgian legion"). Armenia? Yup. That doesn't sound like "maintaining a neutral relationship", more like "throwing feces at your neighbor to watch him get angry".

[โ€“] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I said "somewhat" neutral. I think the American ruling class ideally wanted to keep passively away chipping at Russia where possible while avoiding open conflict. Poland however is more even more rabidly hostile towards Russia then even the US and I think Poland played a pretty large influence in things turning out the way they have.

[โ€“] COMHASH@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

but what about German bullets found in Katyn forests ? and how come few hundreds bodies account for 20K officers dead ? Seems implausible ? Nobody in the west asks these questions ?

[โ€“] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Very few in the West are aware of these facts. Anybody I talk about Katyn with will cite me that awful movie as their source.

[โ€“] COMHASH@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

just like the "After the death of Stalin " for Stalin's bio

[โ€“] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Poland 93 ๐Ÿ˜… ?! That number can quickly go down to 0 once they realize Article 5 does not include Slavic countries.

[โ€“] Rawdogg@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Article 5 covers all EU members, including Poland.

[โ€“] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Not it really doesn't. Slavic countries are just cannon fodder against Russia. The US would make some excuse and would leave them to fight alone against Russia.

[โ€“] Flyberius@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I appreciate that it's probably because US citizens see NATO as some sort of charity that they bestow on an ungrateful Europe, but I am amazed to see the US approval sitting anywhere as low as the 60% mark.

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago

That's actually lower than I would've expected to be honest. After 2 years of propaganda I kind of expected all of NATO to be like Poland. Also views on Zelensky being mixed is interesting given that he's been the poster boy for the war. I read this as NATO having a bit of a crisis to be honest because the economic troubles are just starting. Once the recession hits full force, a lot more people are going to start rethinking things.

[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wtf this sounds fake for Poland, who did they asked? I mean we are the anus of Europe and proud shameless mainstay of Stupidity Belt but there's no way in hell 93% of Poles are gonna agree on anything.

[โ€“] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

"We asked several NATO plants whether or not they approved of NATO and they said yes" should be the actual article title.