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[Vote] guess I gotta make a post for this over here. Do we defederate with exploding-heads.com (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by chalkman@sh.itjust.works to c/agora@sh.itjust.works

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My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.

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[–] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Aye, nothing lost from defederating them

[–] spicy_biscuits@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Aye.

Cut off the diseased branch to save the rest of the tree.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aye.

After reviewing the instance myself, their federation creates risks for this server falling afoul of the Criminal Code of Canada and the Canadian Human Rights Act.

I understand defederation is a nuclear option, and wait anxiously for improved tools for users to block posts from entire instances if so desired, but I see no benefit in our being federated with this specific instance.

[–] Seraph089@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Nay (for now)

My mind could be changed very easily on this in the future, especially if they get bigger. But in my opinion defederation should be treated as the "nuclear option" for an instance of our size, and a handful of bigots aren't enough for me to want to push the Big Red Button unless they start trouble for us.

[–] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aye. Don't platform dog whistling.

Edit: Actually I had an experience as a result of exploding-heads because I was looking for an Oregon community and came across their oregon one (archive link), which included demonizing homeless and trans people. I ended up blocking it. This isn't just a bandwagon. I don't want others on this instance to be lured into those hateful rabbit holes. I ended up joining the PNW community on lemmy.world

[–] Tempiz@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Nay

Block them yourself. Defederation is against the principles of the fediverde. If you are looking for an instance that is more isolated, look into Beehaw.org.

[–] sweetholymosiah@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Nay! This is arbitrary censorship of an entire instance because they host content that disagrees with you. The support for such a measure here is more disturbing than the content itself.

[–] Catpocalypse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Aye.

I had given my reasons previously, but I prefer not to platform bigotry.

If there was a way to reason against this kind of thing, reason could be used.

It can't.

[–] Shortcake@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Could we have some links to examples so everyone can get an informed view of the kind of content you're talking about? I don't browse that instance normally.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

https://exploding-heads.com/comment/95292

https://lemmy.world/post/279473

The links are from other instances but are replies on our instance, the second one if from a lemmy.world user that is then shown to be a exploding-heads user.

[–] sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

~~Overall~~ Aye, but I'd like to see some incriminating evidence of what we'd be blocking as an explanation and a warning before we do it. Pics, text posts can be banned and deleted.

Edit: Aye

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm going to agree with contextual idiot

Nay

Mainly because we ourselves have felt what it is like to be defederation because of others on our instance. There could very well be normal upstairs people hosted on that instance that never interacts with their instances community itself.

If we defederate we risk them getting stuck in an eco chamber and potentially become exactly like the rest of them. And then that also brings up the same issue. The ones that are already bigots, if put into an echo chamber are going to think they are correct and are going to become bigger bigots. We won't ever see it but the people in their day to day life will.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And you think letting them take part in discussions here won't make users outside their instance convert? The more they can spread their message the more people join their cause and more join then leave. Sure some are already over there and don't believe their bs, there's a lot less of them than potential converts on Lemmy at large.

[–] aspseka@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't be afraid of their "arguments".

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What I don't want is to see more people join them, I know I'm not at risk, but some people are.

[–] aspseka@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you'd rather they join there because that's their only option and get them submerged in that bubble?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They won't join then if they don't see the message in the first place.

[–] Derproid@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a delusion. Everyone knows how deep the youtube rabbit hole can take you.

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But are they coming to this instance in any significant capacity? If they keep their discussions/trolling off of this instance then I don't see any benefit. Individuals can already block the instance on their own accounts.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've started:

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/293823

Same tactic as always too, there's nothing special about Lemmy that will prevent the alt-right and tankies from spreading if no measures are taken. We've already defederated from the tankies instance, why not do the same with the other extreme?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it just the 1 person trolling so far then? Because that's all I've seen your links. If it's one troll, then the admins here can just ban them and move on.

As the saying goes, 1 is chance, 2 is a coincidence, 3+ is a pattern

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One trolling, one recruiting.

That's exactly how it begins on every single platform. How long do we wait before applying knowledge learned from all other social medias?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems a bit early to resort to the slippery slope fallacy.

I'll reiterate my stance: there doesn't seem to be an extended history of trolling from them (yet), and there's nothing stopping you or anyone else here from blocking their content from your own account. If that changes and they start trolling or breaking rules here, then I'll definitely support defederating from them, but at the moment that seems to be overkill.

Meanwhile, I'll point out that there's spots in this thread where you have been less than civil over mere differences in opinion. That is not how you get people to side with you.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Is it really a slippery slope fallacy if the same story repeats itself on all social media platforms that don't censor the alt-right? What makes Lemmy special that would prevent it?

[–] greenashura@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aye

As another user said, hate speech is not free speech. And associating with an instance such as that one could even have legal implications for @TheDude in the future.

Edit: Typo

[–] ray@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] robd003@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

Nay. I believe in Free Speech and do not think we should ban any group unless they are doing illegal acts.

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

Given the examples, aye

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