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Hi Lemmy, My HOA sent out a email saying dogs are no longer allowed on any grass in common areas or front yards including grass between sidewalk and curb which is.... everywhere except our own tiny backyards. The reasoning is some dog urine effected dead spots. Honestly I didn't even notice them, it's 95° here and all the grass looks sad.

It's a walking town and we are not a gated community, non-residents walk their dogs here all the time, so this rule can only punish those who live here and has no ability to effect others.

Anyway, this seems like a 'we have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!' moment so I wanted to see if anyone here had any suggestions I can pass on to maintain a "good" curb appeal ground cover-wise while allowing dogs to do normal dog stuff.

I can converse with the HOA board in good faith, but this rule is basically banning dogs from the neighborhood - which I super did not sign up for.

Pertainent info: PA, USA - Town Home style homes - small central common grass - owned for 8y.

Edit: it seems like people may have glossed over the question part and skipped straight to HOA bashing (which is warranted at times!) so I will rephrase:

What ground covering or neighborhood solutions to similar (perceived) issues have other communities employed?

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[–] SymphonicResonance@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Clearly the solution to start owning wolves.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (5 children)

How the fuck are they going to enforce this?

[–] NaibofTabr 71 points 2 years ago

You're assuming the point is to stop it. It's far more likely the point is to create an excuse for issuing fines.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago

As John Oliver showed: ridiculous fines and if you don't pay then they foreclose on your house.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

I'm sure there's some nosy old biddies who would love an excuse to take a picture of every dog that pisses where they can see it

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[–] Mamertine@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Find out when the next meeting is. Tell them you're going to attend.

Organize all the other dog owners and all of you attend. Explain why the new rule is a burden on you all. Explain what you want. Listen to their reasoning. Come to an agreeable compromise.

[–] iluminae@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A complicating factor: I would say ~50% of the houses are rented and only the homeowners have a say in HOA matters. So, assuming any owners without dogs (including the whole board) and any landlord would logically vote to ban all use of the grass, while all dog-owning homeowners would vote to allow dogs near the grass.

Obviously that's generalizing what the votes would be - even though the majority of the houses have dogs, I would say the minority are homeowners with dogs.

The reason I bring this up is a petition-style response may be dismissed as "well those dog owners have no say as they are not homeowners"

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the AKC has this page that lists about half a dozen alternatives to outright banning dogs on grass.

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/home-living/dog-pee-killing-grass/

I agree this very much sounds like the HOA taking the laziest route possible at the expense of it's residents.

But also, fuck HOAs. Get on the board and take that shit down from the inside, only reliable way to destroy those parasites.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Former real estate agent here

All you can do is talk to the hoa board. That is it. If they won't listen then you have no options. Other then pointing out this wont solve the problem and only punish members. Good luck.

[–] hoch@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

no LEGAL options

FTFY

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[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Move to a place that is not in an HOA because fuck HOAs.

[–] _CottonCandyUnicorn_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I truly don't understand how HOAs aren't illegal. Or at the very least restricted.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 2 years ago

Local governments love HOAs and they are only giving construction permits to HOA communities. Why they love it? Easy, they onload the government duties of maintaining infrastructure on the HOAs, who charge a "tax" that doesn't risks the political career of the elected officials.

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[–] itsshortstuff@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've read some folks being a bottle of water on walks to dilute the pee so it's less likely to ruin grass. But in fairness if some dog pee is ruining grass, owners are not watering their lawns enough. There are plenty of dogs in my neighborhood that are walked and I don't think there are many pee spot issues.

But even better would be to not use grass :) uses too much water in the first place hehe

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

As someone not from the US. What in the world are you guys doing with your grass that makes it need watering and gets ruined by dog pee?

I have lived around dogs my entire life and never seen any grass get miscolourd by their pee.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd guess it's the building cities in the inhospitable desert that does it.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh we we water it with bud light

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I am still confused how these "home owner associations" have any legal right to tell you to do anything…

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

When you buy the house you sign a contract giving them authority over certain things. You're bound by the terms of the contract.

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[–] paholg@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is this legal? My understanding is that the strip of grass between the sidewalk and street is "semi-private", in that the homeowner has to maintain it, but that the city actually owns it.

I'd check local laws and see if the HOA has any right to restrict dogs there.

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

HOAs have excessive rights especially newer ones and this is probably actually legal. The city likely owns none of it btw.

HOAs are a blight on American home ownership, John Oliver did a segment on it, but new HOA contracts are crazy if you haven't had a peek at one.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

shit like this is the reason I will never ever participate in an HOA

[–] iluminae@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

In an additional effort to refocus this thread to ground cover, has anyone here in the northeast US gone with a clover ground cover, rather than grass?

[–] silentknyght@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Why not put down mulch and native perennials? Skip fussy turf grass altogether.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

That would also probably be an HOA violation. Welcome to hell

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

Set all the grass on fire. Boom, no more grass.

[–] malloc@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

You have been living there for 8 yrs. Is this the first time the board has been unreasonable? If not, you might not have much recourse. Except for becoming president of the HOA and changing by-laws yourself. Unfortunately, HOAs in America are fucking weird she mostly unregulated which leads to these power tripping people.

If so, I would converse with them and present the same arguments you posted here.

In both cases, it would help if you can get your neighbors on the same page and agree. If more than half of the neighbors come to the consensus that it’s unreasonable, could easily force the board’s hand and revert. If they don’t bend, I would then ask your neighbors to re-elect the board. If at this point, you would need to check your HOA by-laws since it wildly differs across the USA.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Honestly, review you HOA requirements for imposing new rules, make sure they followed the rules and if they didn't demand the rule be withdrawn until the proper process is followed.

[–] rez_doggie@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Pour used oil on the head of the how's lawn. Then have every dog owner complain about it.

[–] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I say burn the hoa with fire

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 8 points 2 years ago

Collect all your dogshit and dump it in the yard of the HOA president.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

In before you get a fine for someone else's dog being on your lawn.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Try to get the rule changed so it reads "no UNLEASHED dogs allowed on.... " And try to get them to add some kind of punishment for those who don't clean up after their dogs (i.e. a $50 fine or something like that). Sure people can bash HOAs (and I totally agree with why they are hated so much), but the rule was probably not enacted because of one incident. It was probably put into place after many issues with owners not cleaning up after their dogs, so they felt they had to do something.

As with all HOA issues, the solution is to be in on it.... be part of the HOA. Run for office and get on the board. Being part of the process makes it that much easier to control what rules get put up.

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[–] fylkenny@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can the dog owning houses replace their grass with wood chips or something?

[–] iluminae@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The HOA is taking the 'our responsibility is to keep a consistent curb-appeal' stance so I think seemingly random houses not having grass at all may not be acceptable - though maybe that's appropriate for the strip between the sidewalk and road.

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

i will never understand the US’s obsession with “consistent” housing

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

And this is reason 4779637, never to buy a home in a HOA....

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