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A post on Ask Lemmygrad by user Cyber Ghost titled "What are the reasons why Russia attacked Ukraine?"

Below is the comment by user @cfgaussian reading: "The Nazi Kiev regime attacked the ethnically Russian Donbass for eight years intending to commit genocide in their quest for an ethnically pure Ukraine and Russia finally came to their aid after it became clear that the Minsk agreements were never going to be honored. Also, NATO was turning Ukraine into a hyper militarized threat to the integrity and security of Russia itself. Refusal of the US and Europe to negotiate on a new inclusive security framework, refusal to stop NATO expansion eastward, and the relentless and violent anti-Russian psychosis that has gripped Ukraine since the Maiden coup that triggered a civil war in a country in which half or more of the population are essentially Russian became intolerable."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 221 points 2 years ago (9 children)

"They had to invade! Ukraine forced them to!"

Great argument.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago

Does that mean that seeing satellite images of Russia grouping forces along the border would give a perfectly acceptable reason for Ukraine to invade Russia, because Russia turned the border into a hyper militarized threat? Using their own logic on them.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“How could you blame him? Look at how she’s dressed!”

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[–] blazera@kbin.social 132 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sounds like the China fans with Taiwan. 'They actually want to be part of the PRC they just dont know it yet'

'Those ukrainians are basically already Russian so its fine'

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 96 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a screenshot from lemmygrad. Those people are the China fans you're referring to, it's all the same group of people.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Had a, uh, discussion with lemmygrad where apparently wanting high speed rail without secret police and genocide is a controversial take. It was a post kind of half celebrating the atrocities of communist regimes. Only for lemmygrad users to turn around and tell me that those things never happened, but they were totally justified and ought to happen again, but communists don't do that kind of thing and it's all made up propaganda, unless you're a capitalist or a liberal or [someone else who deserves it]. There were a few interesting and intelligent lines of thought in that whipping circle I found myself a part of, and I was glad for those, but generally the ideological spin was going so fast, you just about had to slap a tail rotor on it.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

State socialists have some reasonable explanations for the authoritarian aspects of the USSR and sometimes China but they're so easily provoked (online) it's hard to find them in the flood of reactionary dumbassery going on around it. Don't take this as a defense of state socialism. It's not. But their logic has some merit if you believe a state is a necessary institution in a socialist/communist society

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Yes, I found that to very much be the case with lemmygrad.

[–] OwenEverbinde@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You'd think it would give a person pause when in the course of defending their political beliefs, they manage to post a single comment that contains four or five lines, almost verbatim, from the Narcissist's Prayer.

But it never seems to.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No no, they're ethnically Russian. Just don't ask why they're ethnically Russian.

A hint or two.

There might be a few more reasons why Ukraine really wanted to join a defense alliance against Russia...

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I know amount of explaining that NATO is a defence alliance seems to to work.

NATO exists because of Russian aggression. If they stopped trying to attack every country touching there borders it would be fine and NATO wouldn't need to exist.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 99 points 2 years ago

This is a great answer if the question were "What are the false reasons Russia gave for attacking Ukraine?"

[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 88 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol the Jewish president elected by Nazis. Nazi party literally never broke like 6% of the vote in ukraine.

[–] kerrypacker@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

That still seems like a lot of Nazis.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do they realise they use the same exact excuse Hitler used to occupy czechoslovakia?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No of course not because not a single one of them has a clue what they're talking about, and has never studied history or politics.

To them everything is black and white. You are either an insane tanky or you're an evil Nazi, and there's no other option. There's definitely no normal people, since they see themselves as the normal people.

[–] IEatAsbestos@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think most of it is chronically online 17 year olds that have had their brains so borked by the american two party system and political climate being so volitile. They've grown up in a world where its us vs them, im always right you're always wrong, I can do no wrong and you can do no good, etc. So when they learn that the USA kinda (really) sucks, it fucks with their head and they start thinking "the other side" is right.

Yes, the USA government is grossly corrupt by corporate money and the media is compliant, has taken part in imperialist conquest, and has lied about its own history. But that does not make Russia/China ANY BETTER.

I would rather live in the USA than Russia/China in a heartbeat, even with USA's problems (there are a lot) because at least I can say "Fuck the usa, death to America" without being erased from the timeline by secret police.

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[–] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

This is militaristic copy pasta.

[–] WiildFiire@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your mistake was looking at anything related to lemmygrad

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not gonna lie I do sometimes read it for brain fucking fun lmao

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

you have a very different idea of fun to me 😅😬

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 55 points 2 years ago

That's a lot of Copium.

[–] FellowEarthling@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More ethnic russians in Germany than in Ukraine, this is clearly an overreach by NATO

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

OG OP actually asked a good question. Aside from regional cultural claims and geopolitical military perks Ukraine also holds massive significance for its ports, grain production, and the oil pipeline that crosses from Russia to Western Europe.

Not condoning Russia's actions, from it, but if they had managed to get away with it they'd be in a vastly better position on the world's stage.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah it's a good question, but asking it in lemmygrad it's like asking the meaning of life from a dog. At best you get unintelligible barking.

[–] CMLVI@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's what I don't get. All these tankie morons are hiding behind the flimsiest of "Nazi persecution" lies. Ukraine is just flat out amazing for Russia strategically, it's very clear what they wanted. Not to mention some fat ore reserves they have parked in the ground for burgeoning industries.

But no, it has to be Nazis and Western agendas while they bomb schools and residential neighborhoods with these extremely accurate bombs they possess but choose not to use...

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because propaganda dictates that you need to the moral high ground in war. Else its very difficult to sell to your soldiers the idea of dying in foreign land.

And that propaganda seems to be awfully effective, judging from lemmygrand and hexbear comments (even though I am pretty sure some of those users do not really believe it, but are paid to write those comments)

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I can understand Russia not being excited about the prospects of a NATO ally being on their border, but their own actions drive Ukraine towards NATO.

Also the whole Nazi thing is pretty stupid. It's not like Ukraine holds a patent on neo nazis. Most Western countries have them even countries like Germany that have outlawed them, and Russia does too.

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[–] Philolurker@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also worth mentioning, in addition to those things, the relatively recently discovered oil and gas deposits in Ukraine, much of which is off the coast. Before the first invasion (where they took Crimea), Ukraine was getting ready to tap into that and compete with Russia for western energy money.

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[–] bleepbloopbleep@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What... did I just read? 😳

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

isnt it donbass or something?

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is no way this isn't sarcasm

[–] vodka@lemm.ee 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It sadly isn't. That is a post on lemmygrad.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 years ago

~~Blah blah blah…~~

What being an agent for the Russian state on social media does to your brain.

ftfy

[–] Transcriptionist@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Image Transcription:

A post on Ask Lemmygrad by user Cyber Ghost titled "What are the reasons why Russia attacked Ukraine?"

Below is the comment by user @cfgaussian reading: "The Nazi Kiev regime attacked the ethnically Russian Donbass for eight years intending to commit genocide in their quest for an ethnically pure Ukraine and Russia finally came to their aid after it became clear that the Minsk agreements were never going to be honored. Also, NATO was turning Ukraine into a hyper militarized threat to the integrity and security of Russia itself. Refusal of the US and Europe to negotiate on a new inclusive security framework, refusal to stop NATO expansion eastward, and the relentless and violent anti-Russian psychosis that has gripped Ukraine since the Maiden coup that triggered a civil war in a country in which half or more of the population are essentially Russian became intolerable."

User Summertime Soviet has replied to the comment saying "It's a shame we can't pin comments on posts, because this one would get a pin from me.

so instead, have this Farmer_Heck seal of approval"

[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

The poster forgot to mention that the maiden protest was actually a fascist coup by undemocratic non-communist western liberal capitalists… or something.

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[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

Funny considering that our former Wagner chef himself said that the whole 2014 pretext was bullshit. Also funny because one of the groups that Russia used since 2014 in that region is Rusich, a very obvious neonazi group. So Ukraine was fighting Nazis all along.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

“violent anti-Russian psychosis”? Psychosis? Really?

The majority of the time, I try to understand the perspective of my opponents. Unfortunately, there are times (like now) that I’m afraid attempting to understand will only expose me to hatred, ignorance, and false information. For example, I have no idea what the “Maidan coup” allegedly was, and I refuse to look it up. It might even be a real historical event documented by reputable sources, but I’m not wasting my time finding out. (That isn’t a dare. I don’t want anyone reading this to search it, either.)

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maidan revolution/coup was a real thing. In 2014, protests against then-President Viktor Yanukovic's decision to abandon a legislative agreement with the EU and instead join Russia culminated in Yanukovic fleeing to Russia and a number of definitely-not-Russian soldiers storming into Crimea. It really can be considered the flashpoint that started the current round of Russia-Ukraine hostilities.

Wikipedia gives the Ukrainian version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"Maidan coup" or better known as euromaidan. Very short summary is that elected president turned coats to lick Putin's shoes and got replaced.

Tankies refer to this as a coup organized by NATO or CIA or something lmao

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh man if you want a great documentary on Euromaidan, I strongly recommend you watch "Winter on Fire." Pretty sure it's still on Netflix and the footage is just incredible.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

I mean... That's certainly a world view.

[–] NukeminHerttua@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago

Yeah, believing that really requires some mental gymnastics, intellectual laziness and lack of common sense..

[–] rkk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] OwenEverbinde@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 2 years ago

Which makes it all the more amazing that when scrutinized, none of their arguments seem to be able to... hold together 😏

[–] SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Lol, I just blocked that instance. No way I'm looking at commie word puke.🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

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