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70% of Ukrainians want to end the war through negotiation (50%) or frozen conflict (20%). (i.redd.it)

submitted 4 months ago by humanspiral@lemmy.ca to c/endlesswar@lemmy.ca

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seems like a pretty obvious outcome with the way it's worded.

Those are pretty much the only options to end the war other than fighting which most would only choose out of revenge or spite.

The real important numbers would be how many would want to end the war through negotiation if it meant the current front lines became the new political borders, and if not how many would prefer to continue to fight to gain that territory back.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seems like just 1 year ago, there was 44% instead of 25% in favour to at least take back Donbas.

e how many would want to end the war through negotiation if it meant the current front lines became the new political borders,

Extremely close to red line question. There is a difference between peace along those lines, and allowing both sides to diplomatically expand territory, and nazi filth getting more time to rearm with NATO troops on the borders.

CIA has been releasing political polling amongst their favorite nazis, and Zelensky loses even among the CIA list. Freezing of US state department money may make the "bribed morale boosters" flee the country including Zelensky. Russia bringing up Ukrainian constitutional ruler to negotiate with will come back up as a talking point if Zelensky stays useless.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who are the nazis here? I know there’s been a lot of bad press about Elon’s salute, but I don’t think that relates to Ukraine. Either way IMO Ukraine should join NATO so it has protections against being invaded again and losing more land.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

The US led a coup in Ukraine in 2014, under pretext of a liberal/colour revolution. They used false flag assassination to blame it on government, then hand picked "Banderites" as a new puppet regime. Banderas was the PR director of Nazi occupied Ukraine. Their main hatred was against Soviets, they formed voluntary SS divisions and did massacre many non Ukrainian ethnicities in the process. Poles and Jews were massacred on site, but Ukrainian nazi collaborators also imported and sent local civilans to high throughput extermination camps that they managed.

Banderites sharing the same, highly devoted, anti-communist/Soviet/Russia goals as nazis and CIA scum for that matter, is close enough to nazis, even if they represent a different ethnic supremacism. The west implicity agreed that Ukraine had a nazi problem post 2014, by signing Minsk accords to give eastern Ukraine autonomy from the nazis. Zelensky's election campaign promised to implement the Minsk accords. The CIA subservient world since ww2 has supported distorting all reality, and supporting any and all motivated hateful ideologies if doing so would diminish Russia. US controlled Ukraine is 100% responsible for provoking this war. Ukraine official objectives are both unreasonable and unachievable (join NATO with missile bases, stay nazified Russia diminishment with ethnic cleansing/massacres/bombing of regions they want control over governing again), and so purpose of war was only to diminish Russia for as long as possible to the last Ukrainian, and get EU puppets to subjugate their own populations to greater US subservience, economic sacrifice, and US energy extortion.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No source.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

https://archive.ph/xeDiq

Ukrainian pollsters Socis