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NFL Referees Association calls "conspiracy theories" both "insulting" and "preposterous" (www.nbcsports.com)

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Could the constant talk of the favoritism for the Chiefs trigger a correction during the Super Bowl?

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[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At what point are they no longer "theories"?

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

When they come out and say "yo we be doing that shit"

[+] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

When your social media algorithm convinced you it was true, despite the fact that the Chiefs are middle of the league in penalties accepted.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

That doesn't mean they maybe shouldn't have been closer to the bottom of the league in penalties accepted and got bogus calls in their favor, pushing them towards the middle of the pack. You'd have to review the accuracy of the calls and their impact on the game situation, not just the quantity.

[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Penalties accepted is not a metric for determining favorable calls. Quit pretending your skewed facts are somehow better than anyone else's.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Absolutely it is, and furthermore, is a metric that would make far more sense in demonstrating favoritism in officiating. It also just happens to amuse me that the Bills and Vikings are the teams that you all think the Chiefs are, but even with favoritism on the part of the officials (going by the numbers) they still aren't good enough to win.

[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm advocating for use of proper statistics not for either side.

Favoritism is getting calls that you shouldn't get, not the number of calls you get. Playing more undisciplined teams could easily influence the numbers.

To identify a bias trend you need to look at calls against over average, ie do the Chiefs get more calls over a particular opponents average. Even this can be misleading as it's a measure of penalties not bad call penalties and the sample size is not large enough.

Chiefs average 6.1 penalties against per game.

Let's look at the Chiefs opponents.

Ravens average 8.3 pen against per game they had 7 Chiefs 6. Chiefs -1

Bengals 5.8 Average, had 8 against chiefs had 4. Chiefs +4.

Atlanta 5.8 average, game was 6 & 6 l. Chiefs 0.

Chargers 5.8 average, game 9 & 5. Chiefs +4.

Saints 6.5 average, game 5 & 6. Chiefs -1.5

49ers 6.5 average, game 6 & 4. Chiefs +1.5.

Raiders 5.6 average, game 5 & 8. Chiefs -2.5

Bucs 6.8 average, game 5 & 4. Chiefs +0.

Broncos 6.5, game 6 & 3. Chiefs +2.5.

Bills 7.4, game 3 & 6. Chiefs -4.5.

Panthers 6.9, game 9 & 10. Chiefs -2.

Raiders 5.6, game 9 & 7. Chiefs +4.5.

Chargers 5.8, game 7 & 8. Chiefs +3.

Browns 6.9, game 6 & 4. Chiefs +0.

Texans 7.9, game 6 & 2. Chiefs +2.

Steelers 6.4, game 4 & 9. Chiefs -0.5.

Broncos 6.5, game 5 & 3. Chiefs +1.5

Texans 7.9, game 8 & 5. Chiefs +2.

Bills 7.4, game 6 & 5. Chiefs -0.5.

Chiefs are +12.5 penalties above average which indicates they may be getting more calls than they should.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This makes me more suspicious than if they said nothing lol

[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So their position is that they just suck at their jobs?

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The rarely seen self-applied Hanlon's Razor

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's insulting. It's insulting to us.

They wanted Taylor at the game to get millions of more viewers, plain and simple. That means having the Chiefs in there... again.

This is the first Super Bowl in decades that I won't watch.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago

This might be silliest screed I've seen in years.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 months ago

There have been plenty of cases of ref corruption in EU football, not sure what makes the NFL so special for this to be "preposterous", and I find saying that to be what is insulting. Especially given what I've been seeing in the NFL together with all the gambling adverts.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I don't think it's hit the news for the NFL yet, but other sports are catching their refs gambling on games. It 100% is happening in the NFL though.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

A better word would be "stupid", but that's what social media algorithms do to people. They make you believe stupid things.

There are several teams with more accepted penalties than the Chiefs, including the Bills and Vikings. If the refs are intervening on anyone's behalf, those are the two likely culprits.

Occam's Razor would suggest that football (and fast-paced sports in general) just aren't easy to ref and mistakes happen.

[–] jwelch55@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What if it's not the overall volume of penalties, but instead penalties that benefit them at exceedingly important moments /shrug

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'd say that the sheer volume of possessions and plays is generally going to prove you wrong. It takes a shit-ton of failure throughout a football game for a single call to matter. Look at the Bills in the AFC Championship for a great example. They basically wasted the entire first quarter.

[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

A first down on a stalled drive from a bogus call has the same impact as a turn over. Turnovers are a huge indicator of success in the NFL.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

A single penalty can turn a punt into a scoring drive. Just a few of these can easily lead to a 7-14 point swing.