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Harrison Ford Says ‘S— Happens’ Over ‘Indiana Jones 5’ Flop, Joined the MCU With ‘No Script’ Because He Saw Actors ‘Having a Good Time’ in Marvel Movies (variety.com)

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[+] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

all his tentpole characters are being killed off unceremoniously, and he's giddy about it.

That's the one thing that concerns me about Ford playing the Red Hulk, and really most MCU villains in general, is that we just get them for one film.

It's probably easier to get folks in for one film, but I wish so many of them lived on longer. Loki was our original "big bad" and he got to have an amazing story after his defeat. Thanos got a slow build up with a huge two part payoff. Wanda has been the minor villain, then a hero, then manifested grief, then the villain and I suspect will someday return as a hero again.

Ultron should be always lurking around. Justin Hammer should always be trying to one up Tony Stark or whomever has the most gadgets. Walton Goggins was clearly working for someone, let's explore it.

I really hope Red Hulk survives this film, ideally with Harrison Fold, but they can cast whomever it it means the character lives on.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ford's character (General/President Ross) has been in the MCU since the beginning with the Incredible Hulk. Not sure why they'd keep him around as a "villain" for very long, his story should be basically over now as far as I can tell.

Also if they bring Wanda back imma be pissed. Why "kill off" Wanda in MoM, just to throw her back into the fray later? Just to play with people's emotions and its soooo obvious. They are desperately trying to remain relevant and it's showing.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The fact that General Ross has been around since the beginning is the exact reason he should stick around. He's seen everything. His opinion has weight. He has generally fought the heroes throughout the entire series. He should continue to do so. When the government makes one decision, but the heroes make another, what should happen? We saw this play out a little bit with the Sokovia Accords, but it shouldn't end there.

As for Wanda, it the MCU follows the comics then Wanda will return. It's not a desperate attempt to be relevant, it's a comic accurate story.

Additionally it's clear that's the route we're going, but it's not like she's just going to pop back into existence. Her story, coupled with her family, is being told slowly over several years. Infinity War/Endgame is the start, then we dive into Wanda specifically with WandaVision, then Multiverse of Madness, most recently Agatha All Along, next is likely VisionQuest, then I would expect something else, eventually Young Avengers.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If death isn’t real, what’s the point of the movies?

If you know the character can come back at any point, it makes the story less impactful.

Look at “somehow he returned” for palpatine. Sure, it was hamfisted example at best, but it cheapened all of the previous movies.

What was the point of anakin sacrificing himself if palpatine returns?

What’s the point of these characters, their stories, their lives, and their deaths if they are meaningless?

Stories don’t need happy endings

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yes, "somehow Palpatine returned" was a terrible plot line. The rest of the Star Wars canon is adding things to try and fix it.

If a character just reappears with no context or consequences, that's terrible.

That just isn't what's been happening. People make up stories saying "Oh it could happen" without looking at the reality of the actual media where it didn't happen and isn't happening. If a character returns it matters. It has context. It has consequences.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Comic accurate" bro I just want good writing, don't care where the fuck it came from. My favorite parts of the MCU are the least like the comics anyway. Like I know Captain America is the falcon in some comic iterations but I still hate that they did that for the MCU. Should've been Bucky!! Sometimes comics should stay comics and movies should stay movies, especially when the comics and movies have very different context.

Like maybe it makes sense to kill Wanda and bring her back in the comics, but if you do that to the movie version people will stop caring when character deaths happen because we can just bring em back and pretend it never happened. This is also why the multiverse didn't work very well for them, because with infinite realities you can do anything with basically no consequences. This doesn't make for a very exciting movie, cause none of it really affects anything anymore.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So I've never bought the multiverse has no consequences argument because you can bring a anyone back. It's just people saying that they COULD be lazy, but it hadn't actually happened because they HAVEN'T been lazy.

To date the MCU has done this twice, the first being Gamora who died in Infinity War and was resurrected via time travel in Endgame. Then we get a huge character arc for Gamora in Guardians 3 where Peter learns to let her go and Gamora lives on as a radically different character. That is a major consequence. That isn't just a drop in replacement. That highlights why it isn't so easy to just drop someone in.

The second is in What If...? when a version of Natasha from a timeline where EVERYONE is dead, is placed in a timeline where things are mostly normal. But of course we don't follow that Natasha or that timeline, so it's really not a problem.

Additionally let's take a look at the Sony Spider-Man films. (Spoilers for those films in this paragraph.) In the third act of Across the Spider-verse we learn that the death of Miles's Dad is a canon event that must happen to keep the multiverse stable. Miles fights off a multiverse of Spider-Men to rush and save his father. When we watch this we don't care if he saves his dad because he can just grab another one. Oh wait, no we do care. It's an amazing third act. We want Miles to save his dad.

Now if you have issues with the stories being told during the multiverse saga, that's fine, but the issue isn't the multiverse. Hell despite the name it's barely even the multiverse saga. Multiverse of Madness, sure, Spider-Man No Way Home, absolutely, Deadpool & Wolverine, tons of multiverse, but that's it.

Black Widow? Nope. Shang-Chi? Not really. Eternals? Nope. Thor 4? Nope. Black Panther 2? Nope. Guardians 3? Not really. The Marvels? Just a quick post credits moment. The upcoming Brave New World? I doubt it. The upcoming Thunderbolts? Unlikely.

So that's 3 multiverse films, vs 9 non-multiverse films.

Now I did ignore Ant-Man. That's quantum realm, that did introduce and seemingly kill Kang. That film was a disappointment, but I'll add it as a multiverse films.

So less than 1/3rd of the films set during the multiverse saga have anything to do with the multiverse. We can count the TV shows as well, but it isn't going to change the point.

Now all this ties back to your first point, you just want good writing. Same. My point with bringing Wanda back is that it isn't a desperate grab. When Wanda returns it's going to be earned.

WandaVision was excellent. Agatha All Along was excellent. Multiverse of Madness did a poor job explaining Wanda's character downfall. If we accept that the Darkhold corrupted her, that we're missing that story, but it did happen, then we've still got a solid story.

WandaVision teased Wanda as the Scarlett Witch, a character of prophecy. We've only barely touched the mystical world of the MCU. Doctor Strange got into it in his own films, in fact that's probably why Wanda was featured in the second, they share a similar area of lore. But we've got more to explore. Stories that I want to see.

As an aside I'd be OK with Bucky becoming Captain America. In fact there are, once again, comics to pull from for that story. (Not that it's a requirement to pull from existing comics.) However after Falcon and the Winter Soldier I think they did a good job sorting out the frustrations that both Sam/Bucky had. Obviously the film coming out later this month will be the ultimate judge of that.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They failed the multiverse so hard they gave it up after 4 movies lol. My point was that if you have characters you care about, then killing and bringing them back is a horrible way to go. You lose all attachment to Gamora since its not her. The reason you care about Miles dad is cause you care about Miles and his story, but if they "killed" Miles at the end of 2 just to bring him back at the beginning of #3 then we'd all be like WTF.

[–] Shawdow194@fedia.io 27 points 4 months ago

...lost Disney a reported $130 million after its global box office haul fell well below the $400 million mark. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal Magazine, Ford shrugged off the disappointment. “Shit happens,” Ford said.

Ford wisecracked about the motion capture process required to turn him into the Red Hulk by saying: “What did it take? It took not caring. It took being an idiot for money, which I’ve done before.”

Harrison Ford seems so real. Work is work - mans been acting his whole life and always made it clear it was for the paycheck

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

He wanted to have fun while filming, and Marvel enabled him to do that. Win win.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I liked dial of destiny ¯\(ツ)/¯

[–] AnanasMarko@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It felt like it belonged, gave the hero a proper sendoff.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Proper sendoff? He gets punched in the face and dragged back to the future to.... Die a grumpy old man?

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

If you think about it, in all his big and top roles, Harrison Ford in his characters are really, really good at getting punched in the face.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

That was my thought too, this is the first I've heard of it flopping. It's no Indy 1-3, but it's better than Indy 4.

I have plenty to complain about the film, but overall I'd say I enjoyed watching it.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I watched Indy 5 and I don’t remember anything about it.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Indiana Jones goes back in time to ancient Greece. Oh and the woman is the main character for some reason. That's all I got.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I forgot I actually saw it until this comment.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah it is super forgettable. I even remember #4 a lot better and I haven't seen that one in like a decade lol.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Don't forget random black woman who dies to show how evil nazis are!

[–] pikmeir@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

5 would've been better if it was more like the final act but throughout the entire movie.

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