All of them I think. What human being doesn't suck in some way?
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I can't recall hearing anything bad about Mr. Rogers
I said humans, not angels
I will fight anyone who tries to say anything bad about Fred Rogers.
He wouldn't have wanted you to.
You hit the nail on the head.
All of them is most likely the most accurate answer. The tilted examples would be: Genghis Khan is widely admired as a hero by the Mongolians and almost universally hated by others. Leopold II is admired by the Belgians but would be a criminal, probably crimes against humanity, today.
A Congolese man, Nsala, looking at the severed hand and foot of his five-year-old daughter who was killed and allegedly cannibalized by members of the Force Publique in 1904, as a result of Leopold's policy.
Had a book assigned for history class that totally and forever changed my understanding of Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World I think it's called.
Dude and his empire basically singlehandedly spread the written word, religious freedom, and lots of other ideas we generally consider good today. Not saying he didn't kill a lot, because he did, but his historical impact is much more complex than "barbarian invader kills a bunch of people"
Mother Theresa, Barack Obama, Winston Churchill, and Ronald Reagan to name the first few that occur to me before coffee. I can probably think of less obvious ones later.
Edit: Y'all I miss The Before Times too and it's great we were able to get a nonwhite POTUS; I was talking about his drone strike and deportation track record more than anything else.
The stories that Christopher Hitchens told about Mother Teresa were largely made up. For example, the reason that her hospices didn't give opiate painkillers to their patients wasn't a belief that poor people deserve to be in pain ... it was that they weren't doctors, so they could not legally possess opiates. India has drug laws too!
Even ceding that, she still defended convicted sexual predators. The whole Catholic church is essentially a rogue nation shielding pederasty across the globe. Anyone they would canonize is suspect in my view.
Hot take, Washington.
I liked reading about his misadventures in youth, and he did look pretty grand sitting on a horse, but yeah. Practically every president is a terrible person
Che Guevara.
Why is this so far down? Not a nice person
some verified, well-documented quotes from Guevara himself:
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"Individualism must disappear!"
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"I am the most important thing in the world..." (I suppose the irony escaped him.)
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"Certainly, we execute! And we will continue executing as long as it is necessary!"
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"We don't need proof. We manufacture the proof."
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"Besides, to execute a man we don't need proof of his guilt. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. It's that simple."
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"I'd like to confess, Papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing."
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"The happiest days of a youth's life is when he watches his bullets reaching an enemy."
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"The people's cooperation can often be coaxed by the use of systemic terror."
Winston Churchill. It doesn't take a lot of digging to realise he was absolutely a racist and white supremacist little shit. Even "judged by the morals of the time" people recognised just how aweful he truly was.
Yes, his contributions to the defeat of the Nazis is undeniably great. He was a good wartime prime minister and that shouldn't be overlooked. This doesn't excuse some of the more heinous things he's said and done.
Shamefully, the British education system failed spectacularly on this point. I grew up believing he was some paragon of moral good and justice and the school system did nothing to counter this. We'd all rather believe he was a great man. If he is, as they say, "the greatest Briton", were fucked.
"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill 1937
He was the right man at the right time. But yes, he was an utter piece of shit.
Like all the kings.
Probably the worst bastards you can imagine, because if they were not, the worst bastard would take his place in som bastards way.
Thomas Jefferson
When I was young Napoleon was generally admired and considered a "great man". A guy who laid most of Europe to waste in pursuit of his personal power.
Joseph Stalin
Albert Einstein. He was as misogynistic as you can w/o committing any crime.
Someone listened to the Behind the Bastards episode on him that was put out recently!
I only listened to the one on Mark Zuck years ago. I didn't know they did one on him, nice!
I knew about Albert from his own letters and stuff from feminist creators and scientists.
Apologies! It was The Dollop!
Part 1: https://overcast.fm/+3AMVLu8Gw
Part 2: https://overcast.fm/+3AMVNm7jw
Could you post the link or the title? I cant find which episode
Apologies! It was The Dollop!
Part 1: https://overcast.fm/+3AMVLu8Gw
Part 2: https://overcast.fm/+3AMVNm7jw