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[–] superkret@feddit.org 83 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People imprisoned by legitimate, lawful governments are prisoners, never hostages, because the government wouldn't arrest people without legal basis.

Terrorist groups can never take prisoners, only hostages, because they have no legal basis and no legitimacy.

That's the framing this headline is going for.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just a reminder that Hamas is the recognized government in Gaza. Israel reminds us of this fact constantly in it's attempts to justify their collective punishment. But I see now that Hamas have Schrodinger's legitimacy.

The framing ~~their~~ they're going for is worthy victims vs. unworthy. It's a pillar in the project of acceptable mass murder.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A hostage implies the purpose of holding that person is as leverage to extract some concession from someone, whereas a prisoner does not necessarily imply that intent and could be held for any reason?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

The article's inaccurate then. Israel arrests numerous Palestinians as leverage.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 4 months ago

Losely speaking, prisionaires are people who committed crimes, while hostages are innocent civilians. I've no idea if that accurately describes the situation here, I'm just answering your question.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

Those prisoners know what they did

~/s~

[–] psion1369@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

If I'm doing it, I have prisoners. If you do it, you have hostages.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Hostages are taken from their homes or jobs with the express intent to threaten their lives, and exchange them for a political outcome.

Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.

We don't even know how many of the hostages are alive or dead.

This attempt at moral equivalence is repugnant.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In this context, there’s no difference.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Did Hamas provide trials for the hostages for the specific crimes they were accused of? No, they just took them. Even if it is a sham trial there is a difference between a hostage and a prisoner.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Neither did Israel though, for the thousands of hostages they hold.

[–] criticalinvite@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the implication was that the prisoners are actually hostages too.