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    [–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 75 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh hey a Linux furry. Never seen that on Lemmy before

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    Xenia is about as old as Tux, and was proposed as a Linux mascot back in the 90's

    She's actually been parr of quite a few memes on here, so, now you're in it too :)

    [–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    I read the title and thought it referred to Xenia the Xbox 360 emulator which recently gained Linux support, that didn't make sense.

    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

    And I thought it was Xena the Warrior Princess and was hella confused

    [–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    A transfem Linux furry. Completely unheard of on Lemmy.

    [–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I still don't know what people use to create services other than systemd

    If you're writing bash scripts you're basically replicating a lot of the functionality of systemd but with larger foot guns

    [–] 9point6@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    The system V init approach did the job fine for a couple of decades—even if the actual service definitions were a glorified shell switch statement as you insinuate.

    Canonical did their upstart thing for a couple of years that wasn't too bad to use, personally I'm glad they ended up switching to systemd though.

    [–] edinbruh@feddit.it 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Abaci and mechanical differentiators did the job just fine for a couple centuries.

    [–] finkrat@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    Just go back to rocks on a scale we'll be fine

    [–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

    We can use dinit, s6, runit, and openrc.

    There are more, but these are all top contenders.

    I switched to dinit recently, it uses declarative service management (like systemd unit files). Very clean, fast, lightweight, and portable.

    [–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    "Systemd controversy"

    I think the controversy ended 10 years ago. It is crazy this is still something people will bring up from time to time.

    [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    Unlike Extended Memory.

    I still say you EM users are playing with fire.

    [–] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 18 points 4 months ago

    I don't get all the hate for systemd. Chop Suey is an absolute banger.

    [–] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 months ago

    ngl I quite enjoy using systemd

    [–] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I hace a Xenia sticker on a machine that enthusiastically runs SysD.

    [–] notabot@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Well you shouldn't. Take it off immediately, systemd or the sticker, either will do. She's stated her position on the matter, and you should respect that!

    (/jk I'm not actually having a go at you, stickers are cool, and systemd is pervasive)

    [–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    Was gonna ask what's wrong with Systemd but decided to look it up and I now see why, at least from what I was reading.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

    It's fine, people will whine about anything.

    [–] udon@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

    Ah, thanks for the reminder! As a happy systemd user I sometimes forget how stubbornly resentful some people in the Linux community are that they still try to keep this up as a topic. Then again, maybe this is just a troll?

    [–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, more like "cringe deez nuts."

    [–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 29 points 4 months ago
    [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    furry

    hates systemd

    thinks anyone still uses PulseAudio

    Three wrong opinions in such a short post, impressive.

    [–] finkrat@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

    calling furries wrong opinions in a Linux community

    That's a bold move Cotton let's see if it pays off

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    How is furry an opinion?
    And how can an opinion be wrong?
    You can not say someone is wrong hating someone/something, if they do it, it is a fact and if not, it is a lie. And you have no way proving that.
    And lastly, thinking that most people use PulseAudio is a supposed fact, which can be true or false, but is not an opinion neither.

    But you can definitely say that your opinion is that furry as a culture is wrong, that hating systemd is wrong and that thinking anyone still uses PulseAudio is wrong.

    I must add, you have strange opinions…

    [–] edinbruh@feddit.it 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Well, opinions can be wrong. When someone says an opinion is wrong they don't mean that it's not true that you have that opinion, but rather that it's an opinion you should not have.

    And some opinions like any other ideas are just wrong. You are entitled to have them, just as much as you are entitled to be wrong, it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

    For example "we should change math so that 25+75=100" is an example of a wrong opinion.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    “I think, we should change math so that 25+75=100” is an opinion and it can not be wrong since you can not forcefully change opinions of persons that aren’t you.

    “We should change math so that 25+75=100” is a fact which can be true or false.

    [–] edinbruh@feddit.it 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    "I think we should ..." is not an opinion, it is a factual statement about an opinion ("we should...) which you have, and thus it's either true or false depending on whether you have that opinion ("it's true that you think ...") or not ("it's not true that you think").

    An opinion might be right or wrong if it's an opinion you should or should not have, some of course are neither because not everything in life is just yes or no. Opinions about facts that are false or facts that are true are easily categorized as wrong and right opinions.

    "75+25=110" is an example of a true statement and thus a right opinion to have. "We should change 75+25 to be 100" is a false statement and thus an opinion that you shouldn't have. "Pirandello is better than D'Annunzio" is neither true nor false, but you can still think that and hold it as an opinion, like I do, "I think Pirandello ..." is a true statement about my opinion.

    In my opinion you are entitled to hold an opinion regardless whether it's true or wrong or neither.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Who defines what opinion one should or shouldn’t have? There is no law or similar to force/prohibits having opinions. If something should or shouldn’t an opening is only defined by the opinion of the person judging. Therfore an opinion can not be wrong, it can just not align with your view.

    As I said “75+25=110” and “we should change maths so 75+25=100” are stated facts which can be true or false. “I think, we should change math so that 75+25=100” is an opinion you can agree with or disagree.

    “I think, 75+25=100” is not an opinion but a fact the person is saying is not sure if they remember correctly.

    Of course you can say my opinion is X while you real opinion is Y, but that is just not wanting to tell what you really think for some reason (e.g. due to fear, manipulation, not wanting to insult someone indirectly, etc.). Then your statement about your opinion is indeed wrong. But not your opinion itself.

    BTW. In which universe is 75+25=110?

    [–] edinbruh@feddit.it 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    in which universe 75+25=110

    My bad, I meant the 75+35=100 thing, which is a common mistake people make when doing brain math. Just imagine I said 35 in the thread.

    Back to the topic. "Who decides..." I clearly said some opinions are neither right nor wrong, if something is subjective, it by definition is neither right nor wrong. "No law to force/prohibit" I also specifically said you are entitled to have wrong opinions, so we can ignore the entire "forcing/prohibiting" conundrum.

    Next paragraph. "... These are facts that can be true or wrong" exactly, and when I say "in my opinion is true" this is also a fact (a true one) in which I say " is true" is my opinion, but if "" is actually false, this is a wrong opinion that I shouldn't have.

    An opinion is a fact you believe is true. But some facts are false and it's wrong to believe they are true. "Your opinion is wrong" does not mean that "it's false that you have that opinion". Not every opinion can be just wrong or right, as I said multiple times.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    I see our disconnect now:

    First, I interpreted your “wrong” incorrectly (I interpreted it as not allowed vs thinking a fact is different than it really is)

    Second, it seems definition of the word “opinion” is different in your region. In my region, you can’t have opinions about facts that can be scientifically measured.
    To give an example, you can have the opinion “all people need to treated the same” but you can’t say “my opinion is that water melts at -10 degree Celsius”

    So with that definition, no opinion can be wrong. Since if an opinion can be wrong, it would not be an opinion but a stated fact, or better said what the person thinks is fact.

    And applying this thinking to your initial comment, it should show why I was confused about you telling this stated facts are opinion that are wrong.

    And now comming back to your initial comment:

    In the post Xenia being furry is stated as a fact.
    Xenia hating systemd is stated as a fact.
    And PulseAudio having issues is stated as a fact.

    Which of course can be wrong.

    [–] edinbruh@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Ah, it wasn't my comment, I don't have opinions on that. I just wanted to bitch about the idea of opinions being inherently correct

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

    Ohh, I see 😆

    🫶🏻

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

    Systemd is great

    I love Podman Quadlets

    [–] ThefuzzyFurryComrade@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago