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Indonesia: TikToker jailed for telling Jesus to cut his hair (www.bbc.com)

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An Indonesian TikToker has been sentenced to almost three years in prison after reportedly 'talking' to a picture of Jesus on her phone and telling him to get a haircut.

Ratu Thalisa, a Muslim transgender woman with more than 442,000 TikTok followers, had been on a livestream, and was responding to a comment that told her to cut her hair to look more like a man.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 70 points 3 months ago (1 children)

…a Muslim transgender woman…

Pretty sure this is the actual reason.

[+] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works -16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Being trans isn't against any rules of Islam, hell Pakistan has more out trans women than the UK does, and stricter laws protecting them. Indonesia isn't much different given the preexisting (relative to Islam) culture that supports the existence of trans people.

You accidentally a racism here.

Indonesia however does have stupidly strict blasphemy laws in relation to preventing religious discrimination in any direction.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Being trans isn't against any rules of Islam,

Uh... Muslim here, it absolutely is.

Ibn 'Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) cursed those men who are effeminate, and women who imitate men.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also, to those randomly up voting this "as a black man" level post, use Google for the first time in your life. Don't take random bigots at their word. Use additional sources instead of an out of context Hadith that practically no scholar in the last 200 years pays attention to.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

that practically no scholar in the last 200 years pays attention to.

This is an oxymoron. A (sahih) hadith that no scholar pays attention to literally doesn't exist. I have also seen this particular hadith quoted before (that's why I could answer with it off the top of my head), so yeah. Maybe you and your immediate community are different, but Islam as a whole does not accept the act of transitioning.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago

The Muslim community as a whole doesn't agree on anything except the existence of Allah. There's a billion Muslims, most aren't extremist bigots, and even in areas with extremists, they can to tolerate trans people (again see Pakistan).

The religion isn't the problem, neither is the culture necessarily given homosexuality is common to this day.

It's like saying all Buddhists are pedophiles because tibetan Buddhists had child sex slaves.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Those aren't trans people, however.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Trans people are nonetheless confronted with stigma, discrimination, intimidation, and harassment in many Muslim-majority societies. [Source]

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) people in Indonesia face legal challenges and prejudices not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. Traditional social norms disapprove of homosexuality and gender transitioning, which impacts public policy. [Source]

Now I admit I’m a cis white man from ‘Murica, and my understanding of foreign affairs sometimes lacks, but it looks to me that transgender people get the shit-end of the stick in both Indonesian and Muslim cultures.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well? Don't leave us hanging. Did he get a haircut?

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No but he was also left hanging

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nailed it

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Was he a renaissance gangster? Snopes say no. But he weren't no hippie Italian either.