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Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump's promise to crack down on "criminal illegal immigrants," but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.

Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.

Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.

Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.

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[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 306 points 2 months ago (6 children)

You shouldn't have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that's what we're up against.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 136 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can't think.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported', they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".

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[–] sowitzer@lemm.ee 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 26 points 2 months ago

My sister in law's family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out "all the illegals" but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.

Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 136 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I pity Madam but I have little sympathy for Sir.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I have little sympathy for Madame. She travelled ~~out of the country~~ to Puerto Rico for her honeymoon, knowing she overstayed on her visa. Given what had happened in the weeks leading up to them leaving the US last week, she really should have not gotten on that plane.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

The reason I sympathize with Madam is the same reason I sympathize with most migrants: they're not doing it to hurt the country they migrate to, they're trying to have a shot at a better life. I totally get what you're saying but that doesn't make her a bad person.

Sir however is a dumbass: he did the very thing the guy he voted for said he would crack down on and now he's bitching and moaning... Well ya know, faces, leopards and all that.

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[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 132 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I honestly believe these idiots that voted for Trump somehow thought that they would be immune to his policies. He doesn't give a fuck about you.

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For sure. It's the classic:

Tweet that says, "I never thought the leopards would eat my face" says woman who voted for the leopards eating people's faces party

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I know it’s been getting a lot of mileage on Lemmy lately, but:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

  • Wilholt’s Law

He figured he was in the first group, and since conservatives tend to think women are property, he figured her being with him put her in that group too. Whoops.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

American exceptionalism

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They thought by bending the knee to Trump, they would be exempt from his bullshit. You're 100% right here. He doesn't give a fuck about Americans, their families or the down troddened.

Trump only cares about Trump.

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 131 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children)

Hold the fuck up, she was already OVERSTAYING her Visa and these idiots thought it was a good idea to TRAVEL? Nah they both got what they fucking deserved. It doesn't matter that you're awaiting your residency application, you have already passed your exit date, why the fuck would you be traveling for your honeymoon

Edit: I'm literally standing in the airport awaiting my fiance's return from Mexico right now, this shit makes all the people who actually read their paperwork and follow the rules, look bad when they get lumped in with these idiots.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apparently she got stuck in the States when all the borders were closed during the pandemic, which seems pretty reasonable grounds for overstaying.

But - she didn't leave when the borders re-opened. She had fallen in love and at some point she filed paperwork to normalize her status - though they're pretty coy about when they filled the papers, so I suspect that was done after the borders re-opened and she should have left.

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I'm also going to point out what I haven't seen in any of the comments so far which is that, with ICE being pressured to increase the number of deportations, they're opting to go for low-hanging fruit. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean raiding places that they've known for decades are hiring illegal immigrants, arresting and prosecuting and imprisoning the owners and managers.

It does mean that they're hanging out at at least some airports, and it sounds like they're running passenger lists ahead of time (because they knew exactly who to approach). I mean, why to go the trouble of driving out to some farm or factory in the middle of nowhere, trying to chase down people who know the area better than you ever will, when you can sit at a comfy air-conditioned desk and only bother to get up when the computer lets you know that your "target" is trying to check in for their flight?

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody deserves to be punished for arbitrary political boundaries.

That being said, it's satisfying to see the people supporting those boundaries get punished by them.

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[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 103 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"but... it shouldn't have affected ME, you know?"

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right because my situation is special. I’m special and these laws don’t apply to me. @shithead I’ve voted for you 3 times, please help rectify this mistake.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Another dumbass who still hasn't figured it out.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 88 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa ... Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, ...

"Supportive of stricter immigration policies," doesn't turn in his wife for violating existing immigration policies.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 47 points 2 months ago

"I got mine", he thought.

[–] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

An american woman wouldn't put up with his shit. My brother is unfortunately a trumper, and he got a foreign wife because she is the only woman that will put up with his shit that a normal woman would have walked out of years ago.

She slaves over him like a tradwife, raises his kids that isn't hers from the previous woman that walked away from his shit. But he's got joint custody.

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[–] Aphelion@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

"No, no, she's on of the good ones, not one of criminals, and she's with me."

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[–] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 78 points 2 months ago

Good. I hope he's fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can't hear people out before it gets to this point.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Like I believe one of your founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said: "Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other"

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[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well that's what decades of destroying education will do

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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Maybe a controversial opinion but I don’t think anyone belongs in an ICE detention centre regardless of who their spouse voted for. I don’t think this is funny.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haven't you heard? Empathy is a sin and the weakness of Western civilization. It's what a true conservative would want.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 48 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

The money the couple saved for a down payment on a home has evaporated into attorneys fees and savings to pay a bond for her release, if she's given that chance.

There's a silver lining to this. Think about all the high quality white collar jobs (lawyers) that this is supporting. Way to stimulate the economy, Trumpers! /s

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The more I see stories like this, the more I wonder if Americans can make it out of this hole they've dug. The average inhabitant seems... rather lacking, compared to other developed countries.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I disagree. People are dumb. Pick a country and I'm sure I can find shitty takes reported in the news. Hell, look at Brexit

[–] stay_on_target@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. The thought that you're above the con, you could not fall for a grift, is the greatest thing a con man could hope for in a target.

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[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago
[–] chrischryse@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Me when I read stories like this

FAFO vote for a clown don't complain it's turning into a crazy circus

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 34 points 2 months ago

"They're hurting the wrong people!!"

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.

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[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This reads like the post Brexit articles. What do people expect to happen when they vote for something?

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago

Well, that was stupid wasn’t it

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'd feel sorry for the guy but that would be both insincere and incorrect. After all, he got exactly what he voted for.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Good. It sucks for her, but Trump voters don't deserve to have happy lives.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

Aren't these people guys with guns who fantasize about fighting tyranny? Well this is your fucking chance to shine, sweetheart!

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would you do that to your own wife?

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[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

You won, get over it

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Well, can’t say trump isn’t keeping my the promises he made when on campaign

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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

It's almost as if being a racist douchebag is bad for everyone........

[–] Polderviking@feddit.nl 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency.

I have to assume this guy was aware of this. So if you vote to have "illegals" deported, how is this not exactly what you voted for?

They really don't like having to think about things do they?

I wonder if he told at all her he votes for people that want her gone.

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