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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 2 months ago (18 children)

It pisses me off to no end when people conflate legitimate criticism of Democrats with tankie rhetoric. The Dems are complacent, listless, corrupt, and lazy. They refuse to stand up to the Republicans until it's too late or doesn't matter.

The people want progressive politics: universal healthcare, living wage, affordable housing, education, and food. We want a sustainable future and an end to corporate greed.

The donor class, superpacs, and other sources of dark money in politics are what keep nearly everyone corrupt. Its addictive.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 35 points 2 months ago (14 children)

It pisses me off to no end when people conflate legitimate criticism of Democrats with tankie rhetoric.

Last election season went something like this:

Progressives: "Please stop sending weapons to a genocidal maniac who is using them to murder children in order to grab land. And stop actively protecting said genocidal maniac from consequences in the international community."

Establisment: "STFU tankie!"

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

I’m just punching right. Tell the Dems to stop standing there.

And it was the Dems who sued the socialist candidate off of the ballot in my state. Not the GOP. They occupy leftist space to prevent leftward movement, while Dems ally with the GOP to push through fascism.

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 months ago (41 children)

What a stupid post. Yeah it's progressives' fault mango Mussolini is POTUS /s. This is a talking point manufactured by MAGA handlers that some broadly Dem-supporting people choose to broadcast, now outside the US. This is a type of brainrot that undermines critical thinking, divides the left, and helps elect the right. Canada deserves better

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

Progressives are separate from tankies. You can have leftist ideals without supporting authoritarians.

You must understand that under first-past-the-post the party that receives the most criticism tends to lose. It's much easier to pressure democrats into doing the right thing then with republicans.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

If centrists wanted criticism of republicans, they could have done that more.

But then they might not have got the endorsement of dick cheney. establishment democrats punched left and embraced the right.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago

Its like how they never go after the war crimes of the last guy, it would open themselves to be prosecuted for their own war crimes.

Why call out the bad things Trump does when you can court the mythical unicorn of "the disillusioned Republican" who is somehow not a total Fox News-brainwashed racist dipshit. Calling him and his supporters would would hurt a possible ex-Trump voter. All 4 of them.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (54 children)

6 months in and Liberals are still trying to blame their election loss on the left.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Ja, this meme is tripe. Tankies are the Lemmy bogeyman, used the same as 'woke' by the right.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 31 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Oh no dems are not perfect let's Satan/Hitler win to teach them a lesson!

Like bruh try won't learn but let's get rid of Satan/Hitler first. And ill be first to turn on them.

[–] niemcycle@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And that's the thing, the Dems losing doesn't teach them any lesson, they're not going to pivot to the left because they lost, they'll only double down on neoliberalism.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 35 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

DNC will throw an election before moving to the left. Particularly when the topic of discussion involves a certain rogue nation in the Middle East.

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[–] BalderSion@real.lemmy.fan 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From the DNC's perspective, going left lost against Nixon of all people, during a deeply unpopular war. Going left was crushed by Regan. Both Bush presidents won by attacking centrist candidates from the right. Clinton ran very centrist campaigns and won. Obama was at best more practical than ideological. Carter and Biden picked up the pieces of disasters, but that didn't translate in to long term gains, and neither of them got credit for what wins they delivered the left.

I agree the DNC should go left, but I understand it's hard to make the case based on the last 60 years of experience.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Anyone basing strategy on the last sixty years instead of the last four is too stupid to be taken seriously. Hence the US' reputation as he dumbest nation.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

they’re not going to pivot to the left because they lost

We see that exact thing happening now. They haven't learned a thing.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 months ago

Nancy Pelosi was in a hospital in Europe and actively blocked AOC from taking a leadership role right after the election. The fucking Democrats censured the single member of their party that called Trump out on his BS during his victory lap. Then Schumer shit the bed a couple weeks ago.

Establishment Dems are actively preventing any kind of progress, all while whining about how we need to do something!

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you're willing to sacrifice one minority group to Satan, why should members of other minority groups not believe they are next?

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If so many people refused to vote for Democrats because they were too far right, then the Dems should have moved left. If Leftists are too small a group to matter and the Dems are right to court the right then stop complaining when Leftists don't vote for you. You can't have it both ways.

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[–] Muyal@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Current US: a neoliberal capitalist nightmare being ruined by CEOs

Your most intelligent American: This is definitely the socialists' fault

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

CEOs, openly supporting Trump to win: "This is good for business, he'll make us richer."

Liberals: "This is the fault of like 100 people online who like socialism on the internet, where 1% of Americans are even aware of the place."

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[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought Democrats were better than Republicans because Democrats will at least listen. Why would I waste my time criticizing the side that doesn't listen.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

Oh they listen, to their donors, not the people who vote for them.

[–] PantanoPete@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yeah the like 10 tankies in the US really threw that election...? The takes from people on lemmy are so fucking strange.

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[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Seriously blaming the tankies again? How bourgeoisie of you lol

If you want to blame something, blame the media. Both news and social media have completely sold out for profit. You CANNOT have a democracy if vast parts of your population is being misinformed. And this started with talk radio in rural areas many decades ago. And the democrats did nothing - because they are not left. Thanks for all the empty "Hope and Change" Obama!

So yeah, blame socialists all you want but their critique was valid.

You need a revolution or reformation. A massive change in who owns the means of communication to have a free press again that is not purely profit driven. Can you even imagine that? Is that something you would say? No. You'd rather blame and denigrate socialists and call them tankies. Look at the mass protests, it seems the libs aren't even calling for Trump to step down and demand new election lol. People would rather bow to unjust laws and simplistic principles than believe in democracy. Of course they are all being stage managed.

But this is just pathetic.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Most of the mainstream media is owned by a few rich fucks, corporations who strive to make money. Corporations love fascism because that gives them more power and less regulations, so ofc they do everything in their power to enable fascism.

The biggest lie I was told in school was that the market is thriving in competition, it doesn't. Corporations always want monopolies, so competitors are usurped and driven out by any means necessary.

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[–] Alaknar@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll say what I already said during the Brexit campaign - if a politician is caught on provably lying to the public, they should be fined, put in prison and prevented from making ANY public appearances or taking public offices for life.

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[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is just a meme designed to divide people who share common interests in opposing corruption and to turn them against each other instead.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a common misconception, but leftists and liberals do not share interests. Liberals are reactionaries who wish to return to a previous status quo they enjoyed, same as conservatives, but they disagree about what point to return to.

Leftists seek to move forward and dismantle capitalism. Liberals would rather (and often do) ally with conservatives to defeat leftist goals, because they know no society enjoying the fruits of post-capitalism would wish to return to the Obama era.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Honestly the fact that the entire country keeps getting mad at Democrats while taking an "Aw shucks, who hasn't tried to do a coup de tat or shifted blame for your actions onto a minority group. All is forgiven!" Attitude with Republicans, is...

Just fucking bizarre.

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[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 14 points 2 months ago

Republicans are going to republican. Democrats at least have the pretense of representing their constituents interests.

It's like if an oil tanker that takes ten miles to stop was bearing down on a small passenger ferry. Sure it might be the fault of the tanker's crew but they can't stop and they won't stop. The democrats driving the ferry have the capacity to easily save everyone on board and simply refuse to do so. That's why people shout at them.

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 13 points 2 months ago

The thing is that they don't govern. The MAGA crowd does nothing. There's no constructive legislation. Everything proposed is to remove some imaginary barrier that keeps society from running well, but they make things worse. Even with good legislation, some people are wronged, and get left behind. Conservatives use the bad stories to justify doing nothing good.

The whole narrative with firing "unelected government bureaucrats" who are ruining our lives is BS from the start. The "unelected government bureaucrats" are simply employees doing the bidding of our elected officials. Trump has every right to pursue an agenda of shutting down institutions and culling the herd of government employees - he won the election. The correct way is through Congressional legislation. The problem is, that he and Musk/Doge DO NOT have the support of the people. The MAGATS know the legislation would never pass with the approval of the people, through their elected representatives - so they go about doing things illegally.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Republicans have no enemies on the right. Democrats have no friends on the left

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[–] MortUS@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Look at the division in this thread.

A U.S. President is literally trying to recreate the conditions of 1930s Germany by tanking the economy and isolating us from our international partners.

Stop looking for someone to blame and put out the current dumpster fire before it catches the grease.

Get out and protest. Get your boots on the ground.

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[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Seems to be a lot of talk here about authoritarianism.

Is demanding responsible speech over free speech absolutism "tankie"? ....because the US is demonstrating exactly what happens when you give free speech to fascists and don't monitor their "religion".

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (15 children)

As is tradition. In the Weimar Republic the communists were far too busy fighting the social democrats to put up any meaningful resistance against the Nazis.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Tankies would unironically promote known Russian asset Jill Stein in actual left communities and then turn around and unironically talk about electing Trump in Hexbear and Lemmygrad, because he's friendlier with Xi Jinping.

I hate Tankies.

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[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

Fuck the tankies, they are irrelevant.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would you expect media outlets mostly owned by the Oligarchs to criticize the people the oligarchs want to put into power?

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