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[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So why not Amazon for their shopping system in stores?

[–] dan@upvote.au 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think they're pretty different cases.

Amazon's one was essentially a side project for them, likely fully funded in-house using their R&D (research and development) budget.

In Nate's case, it was their entire product. They received funding from investors purely for the AI functionality that didn't actually exist or work. They specifically claimed that it did work, which is how they got the money. They spent all the investor money and had essentially nothing to show for it.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, investing in a company is investing in the whole company and all of its projects. Lies about your company are only fraud when the lies rise to the level of making a material difference to how a typical investor would value that company. If the lies are about a very minor percentage of revenue or profit, then it's not gonna rise to the level of securities fraud.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

A perfectly legitimate question, especially since this misleading approach is precisely why Amazon's Mechanical Turk is named like that.

The Mechanical Turk, also known as the Automaton Chess Player, was a fraudulent chess-playing machine built by Wolfgang von Kempelen in 1770. It appeared to play chess autonomously but was actually operated by a skilled human chess player hidden inside. (Source)

I don't know the answer, but I assume that it probably has something to do with money and power...

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's exactly the same. If I used MT to label data for AI/ML, that would be one thing. If I used MT to complete tasks and calling their effort AI, that would be fraud.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, that's true. I just find it funny that Amazon named this line of business after a fraudulent device. For some of the things you can do with it, it's probably quite the fitting name.

[–] WandowsVista@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

AGI is actually an acronym for "a guy instead"

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I was today years old when I learned this.

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In all honesty, if I was told my data would be handled by some guy in the Philippines rather than a black box algorithm, I'd consider that a plus.

"Human-handled" needs to be some a badge of honor.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yes, but with at least $100M of additional VC funding

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Lmao it's like Snowpiercer. Exactly like that. The little kid/person in the machinery of the train is the big secret to how the whole thing runs

[–] TeamAssimilation 3 points 2 months ago

This is scandalous! We were supposed to get a different kind of fraud!

They even probably worked better than real AI, the shame!

[–] DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This is literally the plot to Trillion Game.