I do use AI to assist my programming, but I always take what it suggests as likely highly flawed. It frequently sends me in the right direction but almost never is fully correct. I read the answers carefully, throw away answers frequently, and never use a solution without modifying it in some way.

Also, it is terrible at handling more complex tasks. I just use it to help me construct small building blocks while I design and build the larger code.

If 30% of my code was written by AI it would be utter trash.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

AI is like a utils library: it can do well known boilerplate like sorting very well, but it’s not likely to actually write your code for you

AI is like fill down in spreadsheets: it can repeat a sequence with slight, obvious modifications but it’s not going to invent the data for you

AI is like static analysis for tests: it can roughly write test outlines, but they might not actually tell you anything about the state of the code under test

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Well said. Fully agreed.

[–] jonne 4 points 3 weeks ago

And presumably must developers at Microsoft take a similar approach (all the 'this explains everything' comments notwithstanding, so it's ridiculous that they're even tracking this as a metric. If 30% is AI generated, but the devs had to throw away 90% of it, that doesn't mean you could get rid of the developer, as they did a huge amount of work just checking the AI and potentially fixing stuff after it.

This is a metric that is misleading and will cause management to make the wrong decisions.

[–] Donk@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

we can tell

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s like, not a good thing dude

[–] kevinhippert@c.im 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@casmael @Ninjazzon @technology It would be an amazing thing but there is so little support for workers in America that we all fear the destitution that will result.

Imagine if a worker replaced by ai could still maintain their life through UI, it would actually be awesome to be replaced by machines.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They're saying it's not a good thing because code produced by AI is riddled with problems, today.

Edit: AI code could explain the unstable experience in some recent updates to Microsoft Teams...

[–] kevinhippert@c.im 1 points 3 weeks ago

@pinball_wizard Sure, but that is not why people fear ai, self-driving cars, and steam-powered looms. Productivity gains are disproportionately confiscated by the rich at the expense of workers.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, autocorrect has written about 50 percent of this comment, but that doesn't mean my phone is writing it for me as much as it accelerates what I wanted to type in the first place.

Maybe that's how they got to a 30% estimate, cause ain't no other way that would have worked

[–] phil_dissonance@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder how they measure that. Writing 30% of loc with AI seems like it will be terrible. Writing 30% of each loc with AI (i.e. autocomplete) seems feasible

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, what percentage of their code was previously written by Intellisense, because I suspect this is just copilot replacing intellisense/resharper plus a little more.

Copilot is great for:

a) replacing intellisense

b) minor refractors / and very short method writing

c) writing out boiler plate / test code

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Given they made a big hoohah a few years ago of getting rid of most of their QA—this in combination is a particularly bad look

[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I could believe this.

But how is their OS or any other product even close to functional at that point?

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it tho?

[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm using Windows daily.

I never said it was good, but it is functional.

[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if Microsoft has a model that learns from their own source code. I have tried having copilot write sql queries and they work (without modification) about 10% of the time

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

Pathetic