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Can We Stop Calling Them Executive Orders… (midwest.social)

submitted 3 weeks ago by GuyFawkes@midwest.social to c/ArmedDemocrats@midwest.social

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…and instead start calling them Royal Decrees? Seems far more fitting and a better way for Dems to messages what’s going on.

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[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We must acknowledge that trump is an elected president, he is not a king, and despite everything we dont like and that which makes me anxious and defensive, the system is working as designed, just no longer in good faith.

They are executive orders by the president of our republic.

Are we comfortable that our system can operate this way with bad faith actors? I know I'm not.

I think justice should catch trump and his enablers, and good faith returned to the system, and then likewise, the system updated to be more resistance and resilient against bad faith actors like trump and the maga movement.

If we just call trump king, we'll blind ourselves to the structural problems and likely ignore them once he's gone, leaving the door open for the next group.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He's no longer president, he's violated his oath of office. The same way that someone stops being a police officer the minute they break the law.

The quicker people realize that and end him, the better off we all are

[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

In good faith, that's how it'd work - but the system has set the bar for removal from office so high as to have never been completed - even by terrible presidents including trump.

We should change that so that citizens have a more direct way to force an election or vote of no confidence or recall or otherwise remove elected officials that have lost the backing of the people, despite still having the backing of the president's cabinet and Congress.

As it stands there is no legitimate path for this action. Should we act illegitimately? To be determined, but we'd all have to get real comfortable that it'd be a textbook unconstitutional coup.

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

If they refuse to act legitimately we’re fools to follow the same rules they ignore. Rules for all or rules for none; they’ve made their choice and now it’s time play the same game.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Everybody knows that it’s only democracy if my team wins, otherwise it’s tyranny.

[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We dont live in a democracy we do not live in tyranny. I'd like to live in a true democracy. America is a republic, and that comes with all of its downsides and historical rationale.

But I get what you're trying to say, the meme

I don't think I think that way, and I have plenty of concerns with parties and establishment. I think the American constitution is fundamentally flawed, and I've said that both under Obama and biden as well as, of course trump.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

I was agreeing with you fyi. People like to condemn Trump for abusing EOs as if that hasn’t been the case with every president this century. All the power Trump has was seized by his predecessors.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

I sure can

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They're are oath violations, and the minute he made his first one, he violated his oath of office, and is no longer president. He's just a fraud who's fair game

[–] GenerationII@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not how it works though. You can't just be philosophized into no longer being the president. There is a process for removal from office. This is just our system functioning as designed. If that makes you uncomfortable, then dream of a better system and fight for it with your life

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Really though? That kind of seems like outdated thinking. The elections in 2016 and 2020 were never stolen, but people just kept repeating the lies until they either believed them, or learned to not care about the lies. And where did that get us?

If we can get one or two corpo media conglomerates on board, we can absolutely just create a new reality, and make it a collective truth.