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Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month (blog.kagi.com)

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[+] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

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[–] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

Have you tried it? At least for me, I often get better results compared to google. Also Kagi has a free trial of 100 searches.

Granted I'm a developer, so my job is basically just searching for information, so getting better results is really valuable for me.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Totally valid. For me the killer feature is being able to change the weights for various sites, making it so websites with content that's not useful to me or I don't like don't appear^[e.g. apple.com, facebook, nypost, quora], pinning websites that I consider best-of-class for their relevant searches^[e.g. wikipedia, the ffxiv wiki], and prioritizing websites I do like, but aren't always the best answer^[e.g. opencritic, speedrun.com, cbc, w3schools, github].

They also have a "Lenses" feature that lets you make your own search lens (like I have one for Lemmy-only results), but I've not really had much use for those.

[–] goji@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The regex redirect feature is another massive pro. I hope they bring it into Orion as well.

I already use Stop the Madness for this, and probably will continue to as it’s a more global solution, but having it built right into the search engine at least shows they’re taking real steps to hand control back to the user.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Oh ya I use that as well, to turn Youtube results into Invidious, reddit into web.archive.org/save/, twitter into nitter, tiktok into proxitok, and AMP results into normal articles. It's nice because, since I use kagi on my phone, it reaches where extensions don't normally.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure there are browser extensions that already do this for you on Google. You can do it manually on each search but that's obviously cumbersome. But browser extensions are basically what you're describing and still free

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's literally not. For blocking, sure, but not changing the behaviours of your search algorithm.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh so I'm just imagining this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublacklist/pncfbmialoiaghdehhbnbhkkgmjanfhe

It literally lets you construct a blacklist so those sites don't show up in future search results.

This one has been around for over 5 years.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Blocks sites you specify from appearing in Google search results

I wonder if you even read my comment? Also chill, there's no need to condescend over a search engine lmao.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah you're right. I only read up to the part about blocking sites and got excited to share my knowledge. Sorry.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I appreciate the apology ♥

[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

There's the 5$/month option available if you don't search more than 300 times a month.

[–] ink@r.nf 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's cheaper to just run SearXNG instance. People claiming any new search engine is better than established ones are hallucinating with their anecdotes.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How easy is it for an average Joe to set up their own SearXNG instance?

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

It appears a bit more difficult than setting up the original Searx. I've been poking around in the code for SearXNG lately because I'm planning on migrating to it but haven't done any serious work with it yet.

[–] seeg@toot.whatever.cz 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@narwhal Anyone recommending self-hosting searchx instead

https://dalf.github.io/searxng/donate.html They also ask for donations to help improve code
Cheapest server is at around $5/month.
Maintenance, upgrades, DDOS protection and whatnot also costs money.
You're still only as good as Google results allow you to be.

[–] goo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Correct. Same dum dums complaining about the proce are there ones buying $12 lattes/day.

[–] DeprecatedCompatV2@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

ITT: People who haven't tried Kagi.

Edit: Not shilling, Google just doesn't do what I need/want anymore.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What is ITT?

[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In This Thread.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’d know if you looked it up on Kagi ;)

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sometimes the results are things I regret looking up. Like yesterday I looked up CSAM rather than asking and now I've got that in my search history. At least I looked it up on Kagi and not Google!

Edit: I'm not even sure if Kagi keeps a user history. I think they might not.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 2 points 2 years ago

It’s a setting you can toggle off or on.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Sweet. I guess I will use that for a month or two and then reevaluate.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Oh nice! That's cool.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Who wants to celebrate by gifting me a year? Good news though as the prices were pretty ridiculous overall. I think I’ll stay on the $5 plan as I seem to be hitting ~170 searches a month ATM.

[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Pay for search? There should be another approach… at this rate will be paying for every single thing we do on internet and navigating properly would require a bunch of money .

[+] cosmic_slate@dmv.social 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

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[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I understand and I agree. I tried it already and kagi is great. But I’m concerned about the amount of services we will need to pay in order to stay out of the eyes . I’m not sure if it’s the way.

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We have to pay for the services we use somehow. I'd rather it be cash than the details of my entire life. But the money to operate those services has to come from somewhere

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Careful! That's dangerously close to expressing an understanding of nuance on the Internet! /s

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is how we will likely end up paying for services AND STILL having our data sold. It's just the nature of capitalism. Businesses have to grow, and in today's world selling data is always the natural progression towards it.

A parallel example is streaming services starting out as "tv but no ads and on demand!" or "just pay for the service and you won't see ads!" but now we are paying and there's still ads.

[–] smellythief@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Doesn’t every on-demand streaming service still have an ad-free option?

[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Paying a monthly service fee to not have the company sell your data under the guise of “free” sounds quite reasonable.

How do you know they don't make you pay and still sell your data to get even more profit? Because no company who said they're not evil was ever evil?

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You are already paying everywhere with your attention and your time by watching ads, it's just been normalized to the point of you not realizing it.

And if you're using an ad blocker, that's effectively piracy.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's either this or ads or selling your data

[–] PoorPocketsMcNewHold@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh, there's a third way. Like DuckDuckGo & Qwant for example. Just have sponsored ads unrelated to you, or ads related to the specific search only (Without detailing your actual search terms to the one buying the ads) and selected companies in such "store" articles results.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I said it's ads or selling data - it can be any combination of those 3 factors

[–] smellythief@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

User choice in the form of multiple tiers would be ideal. I might or might not pay to remove non-creepy ads depending on how they’re presented.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I want to pay some sort of tax so that I can afford all of this stuff. Patreon this, patreon that, pay email, pay for search, I'm not made out of money