You'll lose many more years if your accounts with sensitive content ever get compromised.
this post was submitted on 17 May 2025
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Every time I read comments on posts like these, it reaffirms to me how the average person does not give a shit about real security or is completely ignorant to how and why these extra safeguards are used. Lemmy, I would assume, has a higher than average tech knowledge amongst it's user base vs many other platforms, but the sentiment often that of, MFA and needing to login to a bunch of separate applications is too much work and the people that designed them don't know what they're doing. It's a bit disheartening.
nah, you can care about security and also lose hours on MFA. for global enterprise, the overall user experience is far from optimal imho.
GoDaddy sends a confirmation email for updating DNS. It does not ever arrive faster than 10 minutes from the time they claim they will send it, and sometimes it takes up to 15 minutes. The code expires in 20 minutes, so if you switch focus to something else in the mean time and miss the email and the code times out, you have to send another one and just sit there staring at the email inbox. I have lost hours of my life to GoDaddy MFA. Not all MFA is stupid, but their implementation is amazingly stupid.
Another bigass reason why godaddy sucks lol
Yes, I can't defend dog shit implementation. There are enough authenticator apps available that anyone reputable should use one instead of the less secure email or SMS.
Do I really need TFA for social media? Or a forum? News sites? Fucking weather? Financial logins I get, but every single site requiring it is a cumulative time and hassle burden that is not worth it.
I would say anytime where someone can impersonate you or make purchases as you deserves MFA. That's my risk tolerance, but it can differ obviously. I just feel that threshold is too low for a lot of people.
…for social media?
Where someone can impersonal you and scam people out of money? Yes. 2FA.
…Fucking weather?
I mean, I’m not here to kink shame but, probably? I’m partially wondering now what weather looks like when it fucks. Like a tornado in a sinkhole?
…every single site requiring it is a cumulative time and hassle burden that is not worth it.
It wouldn’t be necessary IF:
- People chose decent passwords that were different for every login
- Website security was taken seriously by anyone who has a login.
At work I need multifactor for everything, but... ITS ALL THE SAME MICROSOFT ACCOUNT. We have SSO, but every single stupid webpage needs me to sign in separately with 2FA and forgets about me hours later. It's needlessly tedious.
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A minor annoyance now to avoid a major headache later. Worth the trade
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got hired by a new company. every fucking day I have to MFA to use the VPN. then I have to MFA to sign into email. Then MFA into tickets. MFA into confluence. MFA into git.
and then I have to do it all over again 4 hours later after lunch.
No sso?
mid-size enterprise. my team has gone through 5 managers in 12 months.
they can't even with SSO right now lol
It’s relatable
I've had good luck with bitwarden. It copies autofills the username and password, then once you submit, it copies the 2fa to your clipboard.
of course, it's a pro feature, so you'd either pony up or host vaultwarden assuming you can even install the plugin on your PC.
Why not HSM?
Oh you know your password? Fuck you. We’re sending an email to your second account and to verify that one we will text you.
Let's say your account is logged into from 1000 miles away, wouldn't you want that account or device, whether it was you or an attacker, to prove itself?
In most cases, if you've logged in on a specific browser/device/account, unless you've cleared cookies, it doesn't constantly ask for MFA. but in my example above, a new IP, new device, or app, it should absolutely go "whoa, wtf is this" and make you verify.
Well, maybe. You said years plural, so let's take just two years. 2 years * 365 days a year * 24 hours a day * 60 minutes an hour is 1,051,200 minutes in two years.
Let's say that every time you use 2FA it's an extra 2 minutes. How many times a day do you use 2FA? That's probably the biggest variable. For some people it's a couple times a week, for others it's several times a day. Let's say 5 times a day. We also need to know how long you've been using 2FA. That's going to be another big variable. Does 5 years seem reasonable? If so, 5 years * 5 times a day * 365 days a year * 2 minutes each time = 18,250 minutes wasted on 2FA.
That's a small fraction of the million minutes in two years, but it could change a lot depending on some of the variables.
But on the other side, if even one time the 2FA stopped you getting your account hacked, the calculation would change a lot.
lost your password? time for a scavenger hunt!
What was the colour of your childhood best friend's hero's first car?
Blue! No, yellooooooooowwwwwwwww...
Passkey
Lemmy passkey wen
I saw your comment earlier today and thought "heh ok, challenge accepted."
Sweet!
i like the idea if username/password with optional passkey as secondary ... ie "something i can keep in my brain" mixed with "something a compute device can do"
having only a passkey doesn't feel like it aligns to a "defense in depth" approach, which we've learned many times over is critical to surviving a single oopsy. someone gets access to your passkey manager (eg phone) then you're fucked.
i'd like layers please!
There's lots of things that have two factor authentication that don't need it.
Drag's bank lets drag log in and see drag's balance with just a password, but drag needs to authenticate to transfer any money. That's perfect, drag loves it. Yet somehow, drag's library card and epic games account have more restrictive MFA requirements.
Drag probably wouldn’t want the library books Drag has been reading to be splashed across the town when the revolution happens.
Also, Drag’s bank doesn’t sound as secure as it should be; if I were Drag I would move my shiny rocks elsewhere.
That reminds me I've gotta change the authenticator for my luggage
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At work, I must to use it every day to open google docs or gmail.
Like with insurance, it's far more worth spending an extra 2.5 seconds on 2fa than it is spending regaining your stolen identity and (potentially) ruined reputation (unless it's text based 2fa)
2.5 seconds? You must be the fastest 2fa grinder
I'm glad that a pizza place has higher MFA requirements than many banks. We've made good decisions as a society for that to be true.
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