Gateways that ease the pain of entrance to the fediverse are a good thing. A single, centralised gateway that defacto controls all access to the fediverse is exactly what I'm trying to get away from
this post was submitted on 20 May 2025
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Just to be clear each site, Lemmy, Mastodon.... Would have it's own front page under this idea.
Most platforms have their "join lemmy" or "join Mastodon" equivalents already
I know but having a reddit style front page or trending like Twitter would look more engagefull.
Peertube and pixelfed have that built in to the individual instances. It is something I'd like to see more widespread
Unless peertube has a way to properly monetize and at a much higher rate it's not beating YouTube which in conjunction will sponsors and patreon is doing great for creators. pixelfed has potential
Unless you want to talk about transphobia, racism, LGBTQ rights etc, etc, in which case, you live on the edge constantly wondering when YT is going to demonetize you
Hot take? Blue Sky should be worked with to join the Fediverse as the twitter alternative and Mastodon should work to be the Facebook alternative
??? Why should Mastodon become an entirely different kind of site when there's already Facebook alternatives for the fediverse?
What's the Facebook alternative? Also blue sky is by far the closest to replacing Twitter with millions of users
Friendica is designed to be a facebook alternative. Not too familiar with it though.
I kinda like the fediverse as is. We keep slowly growing our services. We don't need to be social media.
We can be social sure but without the need to be ever growing. I would rather us concentrate on the people and giving us power rather than huge orgs that are going to do huge org things.
I just like that it's smaller. Like, you can actually have conversations (or slapfights :sigh:) and can actually recognize people. Kind of like something bigger than a small town but smaller than a huge city.
I'm not opposed to growth, and it would definitely be a good thing in the long run, but I like that it's not just shouting into the void here.
Thanks totally agree. And appreciate the comment.
I feel like this is still a community and less people trying to influence. Or less so at least.
Lol slapfight.
Hey,
Hope you're doing well!
As well as can be expected, all things considered. Hope the same to you.
Growth is a long way away, we already lost 30% of the people that first came on board (couldn't stand having to create their own content smh)
Then make the "one true frontpage" for Lemmy or whatever (implement ActivityPub, maybe borrowing some code from the Lemmy codebase itself, or kindof making a fork of Lemmy), and if it's good, it'll be used. If not, it won't.
But then, it might well fall victim to this phenomenon:
Lemmy has lots of competing "front pages." How will one more change anything? A more generic domain name or something?
Lemmy.com Mastodon.com ... If those were the front pages that curated the top 25 posts and top 25 sub groups in the last 24 hours and it was a space where you could search for the groups you fit into or are interested in. No more confusing mess.
It would give an enormous power to who controls this "front page". This page could restrict any user arbitrarily, lock them out, spy on them, etc. And because this page would be unique, they would have no alternative. This is exactly why federation is a key to freedom.
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You know what's exactly as decentralized as fediverse? Email. Do you know anyone who doesn't use email?
As much as I love the fediverse, its control structures can't scale. If it ever became truly popular, bad actors would overwhelm it almost immediately.
Why on Earth would you want it to take over the social media space? Have you not seen what those places are like?
Why in Earth would you want it to take over the social media space?
So that the rest can be free with us.
But I don't like them and don't want them in my feed.
Mass-market slop troughs exist for a reason.
Because social media is controlled by big corporations and thats why they are such shit. Once Reddit, Twitter and Facebook falls and if it falls to the fediverse it will be controlled by the average joe not political money motivated operatives
Ah yes. The 'average joe'. :|
I feel like the current Lemmy, if it grew to be as big as Reddit, would immediately defederate from a large section of Lemmy itself, creating many separate communes rather than the one (or two) we have right now
There is that advantage.
IMO, it isn't decentralized enough. The federated model is better than centralized corporate services, of course, but it still suffers many of the same pitfalls in microcosm. We need private, encrypted friend-to-friend connections that enable friend-of-a-friend onion routing to those outside one's personal social circle to effectively mimic how real human social networks actually work. The only middlemen we need are the friends we made along the way.
If you can stomach bitcoin bros, check out Nostr, it works more like this.
I cannot, and they can't stand me either because I've deleted more bitcoin than most of them will ever see and I've personally killed about $5million in crypto scams before they could pull out the rug. XD
From my perspective, that's not something I'd use, or at least, it wouldn't have been much use to me when I was a young closeted queer person in small town Australia. It wouln't have been much help finding my peers
It could have been, there's nothing preventing such a network from providing a degree of anonymity by leaving your signature out of a post and adding a few increments to the distance on its onion route to obfuscate the source.
And in any case, you'd only need to make one remote friend to reach an entirely different segment of the network.
While not being exactly what you are proposing, you could consider mastodon.social and lemmy.world the de facto front page for each service. They are by far the largest and best-known instances in their respective networks. Many new users start at those instances, get their toes wet, and then branch out.
I'm not arguing that's how the network should be structured, though.
For mastadon, it's like 85% mastadon.social, Lemmy has it better with only 50%
Welcome! Thanks for the suggestion, I'm happy with having multiple sites and not one team having absolute say on content over the rest.
I, and a lot of other fedizens, don't want the type of people who use BlueSky and Facebook in my ActivityPub fediverse.
Fedi is cool because it's small, weird, and highly enriched with people I'm actually interested in communicating with. I don't need or want the pool to be diluted with an ocean of piss.
You've just described the goals of Mbin. I congratulate you.
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