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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 102 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This isn’t completely true. The US only overthrew the leader of Iran, armed Saddam to fight against his successor, and then fucked up the aftermath of Saddam’s removal in such a brutal and careless fashion that it led to the creation of ISIS. They didn’t create and fund ISIS on purpose like they did with the others, or with Osama bin Laden.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Colin Powell went to the UN and gave a 20-minute speech about Al-zarqawi, the future founder of ISIS, and claimed he was a link between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein to try to link them together to justify invading Iraq. No one had ever heard of Al-zarqawi before Powell's speech because he was pretty much a common pimp and criminal, but that allowed him to get notoriety and start his caliphate and form ISIS

Like you said they didn't directly form ISIS but they gave the founder the ability to do it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You're gonna have to go back further than that if you truly want to capture all the meddling that's been done in the middle east by the west.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

all the meddling that’s been done in the middle east by the west.

Hey, I'll have you know that the ottomans came in through the east.

*gong sound effect, calendar rolls from 1800 to 1299*

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hamas exists because the Zionist party in Isreal funded them while suppressing their opponents and helping them cheat in elections so the Zionists could use the unstable leadership to force their own influence over the country of Palestine, so they could take Palestinian land for their citizens.

The Zionist movement was also just a group of russian oppurtunist jews who successfully made themselves the jewish negotiators for the WW2 reperations.

Most jews don't think anyone owes us their land just for existing.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well technically Iran as well as the multinational militant group "Society of the Muslim Brothers", which Hamas actually branched off of from their branches in Egypt decades ago, funded Hamas, but yes Israel facilitated the transactions and intentionally inhibited any possibility of someone other than Hamas controlling the Gaza Strip.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you! People need to hear this more.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago

That model was trained taking native lands. Tecumseh was aware of it all.

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

They basically arm the whole world all the time because no other country shits out firearms like that dumbass country does.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am wholeheartedly abhored and opposed to actions such as these, including Operation Timber Sycamore, but I think it's worth adding context that there were other players in this field on all sides. The USA also cooperated with SA, UAE, Afghanistan, UK, and Israel in many such examples and the affiliations were usually public. Likewise, Russian was actively supporting the opponents in almost every single one of these conflicts and China is currently actively supporting and arming militants in nations west of India, in Iran, and in West Africa.

So yes, horrible things are happening and should stop. It's not better that everyone else is also doing them, if anything it's much worse, but to truly oppose these actions we need to find more direct and honest approaches to opposing the world's largest dictatorships in the east.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like me trying and failing to play a game of Hearts of Iron IV once every couple of years.

It's still missing the CIA operation that repeatedly air-dropped extremist Islamic texts in the region to radicalize the area so they would fight the Soviets for us during the Cold War (which is the cause of the current cultural climate today and the backward slide of women's rights and freedoms).

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ice is coming got you Spike!