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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even if it’s not an attack of their argument, and is stated simply as a fact, a personal attack does still work to discredit the opponent to any audience, and can therefore be considered a fallacious ad hominem tactic.

It’s basically poisoning the well. Even though you’re not explicitly saying it, the audience will infer that someone who can justifiably be described as “shit for brains” should not be trusted on the relevant topic. Even someone profoundly stupid can be right, and even someone incredibly intelligent can be wrong.

That being said, even if someone has been viciously personally attacked, if the attacker has otherwise proved their argument wrong, that’s what truly matters. It does definitely make me think less of someone if they constantly personally attack their opponent, though.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if it can be ad hominem if it's a personal attack that technically bolsters your opponent's argument. For example, if you're debating a scientist about some scientific subject, and you call them an egghead or a nerd. I think it still counts.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"shit-for-brains" kinda discredits any and all arguments though doesn't it?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Technically not, since a lack of intelligence doesn't necessarily imply that something said by a given person is wrong (else an unintelligent person could make things more likely to be wrong by saying something, or would be unable to say that thing if it is true.)

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ok, shit-for-brains. 😜

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

a lack of intelligence doesn't necessarily imply that something said by a given person is wrong

This doesn't seem convincing to me because it's the exact same sort of criticism you'd make about any other ad hominem statement.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

User name doesn't check out, and why would you open yourself to being called shit for brains like this?

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Strangely, I've never had someone say that my username doesn't check out who also explained clearly why they thought that way. I think this is the second time.

And being called names by strangers online doesn't really register as anything but noise. I guess if it was in this thread, it would be slightly on topic, but elsewhere, it would probably just lead to reports and blocks.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Okay dumbass

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The bonus panel explains why it doesn't.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I forgot to open the page to see it, thanks for the reminder 😅

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago

The sequel to https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/phenom we have all been waiting for

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"strawman"

does not eleborate further, thinks they won, leaves

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

How to win debates on the Internet 101.

In 201, you learn how to do it with more Latin.

[–] sillyplasm@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why doesn't the guy on the right have any ears

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

The shit would leak

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

First of all, I’m a fucking shit for brains idiot. Second of all, *presents highly intelligent nuanced opinion.*

I feel this argument applies in many situations

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I stand forever enlightened

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Further, the fallacy fallacy states that even if you did it doesn't make the other side "the automatic winner because the other guy was mean."

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I thought that was the "neener neener" fallacy

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But an insult is not an argument. And he himself calls it an argument, implying that he is trying to discredit, thereby making it ad hominem.