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Reality check: Many Democratic Party leaders had believed Mamdani's past comments would be disqualifying to most primary voters. They were wrong.
They will continue being wrong for the foreseeable future as well, because they don't understand how to motivate a user base.
They don't want to motivate a voter base. They want to continue collecting giant checks from corporate donors and the 1%.
who are also donors of the gop, and the dnc survival hinges on leeches off the coattails indirectly of gop's messaging and propaganda(when gop messes things up, suddenly the dnc are electable again, and it cycles through gops culture war propaganda and than back to DNC again forever), and gifts that people like putin and meganors give them. thats why dnc rarely push for significant medicaid/care for all, or voter reform, election rigging investigation until its too late, this way if they can use it as a voting issue, and plus Education would hurt both parties in general, moreso for republican in a way it would generate less cannon fodder for the MIC if everyone has a degree and a career of that degree.
The democrats are a business, not a political party
I hate to admit it but there are some lessons we can learn from Trump lol
I mean love 'em or hate 'em but fascists are experts in engaging youth, political organizing and direct action.
Which frankly he learned from Obama. Unfortunately the Democrats failed to iterate.
To the day I still don’t understand how waltz wasn’t just bouncing from white male podcast to white male podcast lecturing them about how to fix their trucks and how being a man means taking care of your community, using examples like MN’s school lunch program. They had a pocket ace right there, A boomer who could flip the script on masculinity And link it with progressive ideals. But they basically just hid him away until the election. Ridiculous.
The answer is simple: They don't want people to take care of their communities; to them that tax money should be going to billionaires and corporations (and, by extension, themselves). The actions of the DNC make a lot more sense if you assume they don't stand for any of the things they claim to stand for.
I get it very easy to boil it down to that, but I don’t think it’s quite that simple. For instance, why do they pick them in the first place? The entire rhetoric around him, including in the news media, was about his relatability to progressives and young men alike. Everyone seemed to be on the same page. Then Harris‘s election strategy became basically to go silent
Same reason they picked Harris: they're drinking their own kool-aid on identity politics. Just like how because Harris is a black woman they tried to sell her as a progressive feminist and not the bootlicking prosecutor she actually is, they assumed that because Walz was an old white guy he was only pretending to use progressive rhetoric and shat their pants when they realized he was genuine about it.
Where are you getting the idea that they thought he was pretending?
They wouldn't have nominated him if they thought he was actually progressive.
So it’s an assumption? Just making sure we’re clear.
Defaulting to assuming the best about a garbage party?
I don't give democrats the benefit of the doubt any longer. They have proven themselves completely untrustworthy over the course of decades.
No? I’m just saying that’s a big assumption. There are also easier ways to sandbag your own party.
Betray the left enough times and the pattern of behavior makes it the most likely conclusion.
All I was asking is if there is evidence they didn’t realize he was actually a progressive despite his very clear track record as one both rhetorically and governing-wise. The answer is no, there is an assumption. You can explain your reasoning that’s fine. But you’re framing it as if that’s the debate and accusing me of simping for democrats or whatever. I’m not. I had a very specific question that we have now answered.
Ok, So we can count you as a satisfied sea lion, then?
Satisfied, but wasn’t sealioning. You can keep grinding your axe though if that’s what you need to get through the weekend.
You do realize it's just bad faith to assume sea lioning, especially when you're the one repeating your already held beliefs without evidence...
Mind, I agree that the Democrats' track record speaks for itself. Their attention on progressives amounts to the same kind of effort given by the popular kid at school being forced to do a class project with the nerd. They want all the credit while doing less than nothing to actually help.
That... is a fair point. In that case I have no idea.
Right!? It’s truly a mystery to me. I guess they really just thought Trump would hang himself in the end but clearly they were wrong
Other Democrats see Mamdani — a state Assembly member with a history of controversial comments about Israel and policing — as politically toxic for a party whose national success depends on its ability to attract votes in less progressive places nationwide.
So, to the DNC, it's better to see the winning Democratic candidate defeated in the general now because that will ensure victory in Alabama in a year or three? The propaganda machine will smear anyone who dares to run with a D next to their name. You might as well own it and embrace the positions your voters want.
... that will ensure victory in Alabama ...
Narrator: It won't.
*continue to lost Alabama for the foreseeable future
They would rather hem and haw over how they think the public might respond somewhere else than motivate the user base that chose that candidate and spread that out to other areas.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
How quickly we forget what happened to Bernie Sanders in 2016
This reminds me of the 2021 mayoral election in Buffalo, NY, where a progressive won the Democrat primary, but the conservatives (both Republicans and establishment Democrats) joined forces to back the establishment candidate in the general election.
that just confirms that they are one in the same, on the status quo. the old guard are just republican lite, or they wouldnt been able to be elected if they were R party.
Good.