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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why should they be focused on it? Xbox is now just a slimmed down Windows pc. You can play the exact same games on a pc, with access to the same storefront.

What’s the problem exactly?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Microsoft's original plan was to own the living room the way they own the office space. Not just gaming, but all your movies, TV, shopping, etc. could be done through the XBox.

Kinect was a particularly big jump in that regard. There were demos of AR-type stuff where you could see yourself wearing clothes you might want to buy. You could move around and the clothes on screen would move with your body. There's some promo videos of that, but nothing concrete ever came of it.

Now they have slagging sales for two generations, and a AAA industry that struggles to make a real hit and is laying off a lot of people. They can't even hold onto the core gaming market much less get their tendrils into the rest of the living room. They then release a handheld that's basically an upgrade of an existing handheld that wasn't selling very well, but now with XBox branding.

Is this a problem for the rest of us? No, not really. There's plenty of alternatives, and we don't need to care. Is this the result the money people at Microsoft envisioned when they started this ~25 years ago? No, not at all.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For wanting to own the living room, they never tried particularly hard. PS3 was a damned successful blueray player. They just needed to give you a nice, curated experience and ease of use. There were literally people buying PS3's because they were cheaper than blueray players at the time

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, Sony is just better at this. They're really good at taking advantage of their competitors' mistakes.

We forget a lot now, but the opening of the PS3/Xbox 360 era looked like Microsoft was winning. Sales looked good for them, Blu-ray be damned. Then the Red Ring of Death hits. In some ways, Microsoft has yet to recover from that. Sony held their face just above the toilet water ever since.

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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

While this is bad for the market, it's also entirely expected.

Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.

Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don't need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.

Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the uk I remember the 360 being huge and nobody having a ps3, but now I'm not sure I know a single person who bought an xb1 or whatever the current one is called.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

360 was a big hit because everyone wanted to play halo. Honestly outside of that I don't think there was any other exclusives. At least none that I can remember

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

It also launched a year or two before the ps3 and I feel like it was significantly cheaper. Xbox Live also seemed to be huge despite the cost, probably some network effect in action. I remember Gears of War being another big name they had.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a 360, which is the xbox 2

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i have it too, and i used it a lot, but most people i knew at that time went for Sony

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

X360 launched a full year before PS3, seemed great compared to the ancient PS2. Had a rough start with the red ring of death, but it recovered and did very well. X360 sales were higher for most of the generation but PS3 eventually beat them by a small margin for the final count.

I think I need to JTAG mine, I have an optical disc drive emulator but I would like some home brews too

[–] Natanael 4 points 1 day ago

OTOH I only have a PS5 because of Sony's marketing budget, lol (non-slim version included with a Sony phone on contract, so technically also a way for them to clear stock, lmao)

But yeah, I don't know any people with a recent Xbox here in Sweden. In the original Xbox era and the 360 era I think they had a big lead here, but after that I've seen much more Sony represented.

[–] trigonated@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Barely, lol. Knew 1 person who had an og Xbox and 1 who had a 360. Newer than that, nope.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, they think the Internet will get so quick that people will just stream every game from the cloud from any device and they want to be the leader of that.

[–] ShittDickk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Then maybe they should take comcast to court over their 10 years unchanged 1.2 terabyte monthly data cap seeing as they can afford to.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that would be cool. but id rather be able to download xbox games on my phone and play them offline

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 0 points 18 hours ago

That will probably be a thing similar to how Netflix lets you download episodes for plane rides and such.

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[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 131 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon

[–] Venicon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t know what you mean. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X all make perfect sense and leave zero grounds for confusion at all

[–] Arello@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Lol, that has some pre-Switch Nintendo naming energy

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago

I think It's called Xbox Series 365 Office Copilot Pro+ for .NET

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I can't think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:

  • They renamed Office 365 to just "365" (and then "365 Copilot"). The mind boggles.
  • They named their light extensible code editor "Visual Studio Code", despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called "Visual Studio".
  • They called their application framework "the .NET framework".
  • They called the replacement framework ".NET Core", and after a few major versions, changed to calling it ".NET", but it's totally distinct from the .NET framework.
  • They called their ninth major desktop operating system "Windows 7", then followed up with "Windows 8" and... "Windows 10".
  • Their native web app replacement for Outlook is called "New Outlook".
  • They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app "Windows App". I have no words.
[–] Kyre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You all have no idea the idiocy of their naming and the confusion it causes with their business software: Microsoft Dynamics - This is an array of business software. Some of it is the same core platform with different features but many of the applications are acquisitions and run on different back-end platforms.

Microsoft Dynamics CRM (Customer relationship Management). They originally named their software to be the name of what it actually does. Not a bad idea so when people searched for that name, results would point to their software eventually. This is their Salesforce competitor.

After building market and name recognition and gaining market space, they renamed it to Dynamics Customer Engagement (CE). Then soon after split the product into modules or sub-products and called them: Dynamics 365 Sales, Dynamics 365 Customer Service, Dynamics 365 Field Service (which was a module acquired by Microsoft but was originally called field one sky), Dynamics 365 Project Operations (which was originally called Project Service Automation).

They had MDM (Microsoft Dynamics Marketing) which was an email marketing platform. This MDM is not to be confused with MDM (Mobile data management) but was actually just the first iteration of their marketing tool. They re-wrote it from scratch and called it "Dynamics Marketing". They then re-wrote it a third time (they are in the process of finishing the re-write) and it is now called "Microsoft Dynamics Customer Insights and Journey's". A name that just rolls right off the tongue.

Accounting Software Microsoft GP - This was a Microsoft software acquisition of accounting software called "GP". Microsoft has been the steward of this project for a very long time but it is currently being phased out and is in end-of-life. Microsoft SL - Another acquisition. Accounting software called Solomon. Microsoft still sells and support this software. It serves a particular niche. Microsoft F&BO - This is a complicated one so I am just going to map out the names of what it was and what it has become but this is Microsoft's SAP/Oracle competitor for large organizations: Axapta -> Dynamics AX -> Dynamics Finance and Operations (F&O) -> Dynamics Finance and Operations and Supply Chain -> Dynamics Finance and Business Operations (F&BO) Microsoft BC - Microsoft Business Central was originally acquired by Microsoft as "Navision". They renamed it Microsoft NAV and more recently re-wrote and re-named it to Microsoft Business Central (BC).

Long post but they really just suck at names and rename things constantly. From the business side, I think it's intentional as it causes people to re-evaluate the software without any baggage from the name.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

There's also Microsoft PowerBi. Just a wonderfully descriptive name.

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

My favorite is still Microsoft Zune… Which was a music store, music subscription service, a desktop app, and a physical media player.

It’s like they want their stuff to literally be unsearchable on the internet. Renaming Remote Desktop to Windows App is a prime example of this. Good luck trying to search for that and get what you want.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You forgot about Teams (New)

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have Teams (New) as well as New Teams

Teams (New) is the next version of teams except I literally don't know what they've done because I can't see any difference.

New Teams appears to be a totally different project except again it looks identical but the calendar is different, they've actually managed to make the calendar worse, which is impressive since it was pretty goddamn unusable to start with.

I don't understand why they have two development strands going on simultaneously.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You mean Teams or the other incompatible Teams, with the colors inverted on the icon?

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember when they named their voice assistant after a video game character?

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

That was probably one of their most sensible naming decisions

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 137 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing out all our dedicated talent didn't have consequences?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 131 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Was funny when they said they needed more original games like Hi Fi rush after firing the people that made Hi Fi rush.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'm all for Asus handheld becoming the future of Windows for consumer. Have little interest now in keeping it as a personal PC. Linux is the way now thanks to them force feeding Copilot and screen grabber.

[–] simple@piefed.social 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."

Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market. Even if they do make a new console, theyll put as much effort into it as the Xbox One.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Well, everyone say hello to the $1000+ PlayStation 6.

What're you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?

No Xbox means Sony gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won't.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 15 points 2 days ago

But consider... Steam Deck.

[–] Havoc8154@mander.xyz 30 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Nah, I'll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty 'AAAA' games a year?

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

We passed the point of diminishing returns for graphics years ago. There's no point in keeping up with the latest hardware anymore.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though

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