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If you live in Seattle, PLEASE go to Pike Place Market and buy Apples 🍏🍏🍏 (infosec.pub)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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or buy bananas 🍌

or buy a sandwich πŸ₯ͺ

or buy seafood πŸŸπ“‡ΌπŸš

The important thing is that you just buy something.

For the first time, the City of Seattle banned cars in Pike Place Market this summer:

https://www.knkx.org/transportation/2025-05-08/seattle-pike-place-market-tests-car-ban-pilot-downtown-overlook-walk-flowers-vendors

Last year (2024), some politicians warned no one will shop here anymore if it’s pedestrianized :

https://publicola.com/2024/04/02/dont-open-pike-place-to-pedestrians-council-member-urges/

It's important Pike Place pedestrianization succeeds.

The stakes are high for the future of Seattle. If the experiment is considered a wild success, it will help fight back against pro-car politicians. But a failure will make future pedestrianization efforts harder.

So go out there and purchase something 🍏🍌πŸ₯ͺπŸŽπŸ›οΈ

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[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

This brings up the quandary, should I drive 1.5 hrs round trip to support an anti-cars initiative.

[–] pc486@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I drop by Pike Place on a regular basis. Even before the current car ban, it was near impossible to drive through. Pedestrians would flow out onto the street because the sidewalks and inside of the market was packed. Sometimes even due to lines for some of the popular shops. And sometimes it was me blocking your drive because screw that noise, I'm walking here!

This summer with the car ban it has been even more popular and crowded, with fewer shoulders and elbows getting in the way. IMHO, this project has already been successful. Great job, Seattleites! :)

Also new in the area is the rebuild of Alaskan Way. It's much nicer than ever before, plus the aquarium got a new building.

[–] devdoggy@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Good job being the local!!

[–] callcc@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

This place needs a few trees :)

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One of the most vocal vendors opposed to the street being pedestrian-only runs one of the produce shops. So, maybe buy something else.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd say buy from them as well. They're a business owner, so showing that pedestrianising the area helps their business thrive is just about the surest way to change their mind.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

counterpoint: let them perish while everyone else there who wasn't a blithering moron prospers, and let someone else move in after their business goes under.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 4 points 6 hours ago

How does that benefit the community? Unless you manage to cut off a significant chunk of their trade they'll survive and have even more reason to oppose pedestrianisation. You're not giving them a way out, or a chance to change their position, so they can only harden their opposition to it.

Let them experience the benefits of pedestrianisation and you're likely to see their attitude change, and see them become a proponent of it instead.

Revenge is sometimes an enjoyable fantasy, but it rarely ever brings positive changes to people's opinions.

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Which is ridiculous. Most rational people who have been to Pike Place know you shouldn't drive there if it's remotely busy. I remember, a few times, seeing a few tourists in cars get stuck in the crowds when I was there for work.

[–] brotundspiele@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

WTF, how did this place look like in the past? Was it really a drive-through farmers market? Sorry if I sound stupid here, but that's totally unimaginable for me as a non-USian. I've never seen a market that's not pedestrianised in my life.

You guys would also drive your cars through the shelves of Walmart if you could, wouldn't you?!

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

I used to work a block from there and was always shocked that people would just drive right through. There's nothing at all to see in a car. Unless you are delivering something, there's no reason for a vehicle to be there.

[–] frosty99c@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, I've never seen the market that empty. Not when it's open, anyway.

[–] frosty99c@midwest.social 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm assuming COVID had something to do with it. Those photos are 3 and 4 years ago, and people are wearing masks.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 16 hours ago

Ah, that would do it.

[–] yum_burnt_toast@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

its not really a drive through market, but there are two sections of the market which are divided by a short street about 180 meters in length. you would still have to get out of your car to shop at any of the shops/stalls. anybody driving their cars there previously would have to contend with a ton of pedestrian traffic, and there is minimal parking there anyway so i dont know why anyone non-service or vendor related would willingly use that street to access the market.

[–] the_artic_one@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Mostly only tourists and suburbanites who followed bad advice from Google maps would actually attempt to drive through it. There's so many pedestrians around that you would end up spending ten minutes to drive a single block if you tried.

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 day ago

Drivers are always the least productive people on the street. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that getting rid of them is good for the city.

[–] xploit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Why can't you just go there to watch the guys toss fish between them (and drop it sometimes)? Imo it's also a fun option....I guess you can buy that too if you feel like walking around with a fish.