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[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 159 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The specific quote:

“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of our country.”

From the article:

Laura Barrón-López, White House correspondent for PBS, told viewers last night, “I checked with a historian, Ruth Ben-Ghiat, and she said that language that he’s using ... echoes language used in Nazi propaganda by Adolf Hitler when Adolf Hitler actually said that Jewish people and migrants were ‘causing a blood poisoning’ of Germany.

Additional site reporting the same (in an interview):

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-amplifies-violent-rhetoric-against-his-perceived-enemies-as-civil-fraud-trial-begins

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 105 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from…

…and we know they come from…

Ok, logically, at least one of these is guaranteed to be a lie.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you think of a trump speech like a LLM talking, you realize that he frequently doesn't know where a sentence will go when he opens his mouth because he's just stringing words and concepts together in a freeform flashy propaganda wordsalad.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LLMs nowadays have more long range structure than a Trump speech. Trump is more like an attention-free Markov chain.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago

Markov chains occasionally produce something clever or unexpected though. For example King James Programming (a Markov chain generator fed with KJV, Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, and some of Eric S. Raymond's writings) sometimes wrote some amusing things. Later Why's Poignant Guide was added as an additional source, and still later started mixing in posts from a second generator fed the works of Lovecraft and Isabelle/HOL documentation.

Investigate the shell’s here documents and Python’s triple-quote construct to find out the Almighty unto perfection

they smote the city with the edge of the sword. 22:20 And one of his main motivations was the high cost of proprietary software houses.

I know not why I went thither unless to pray, or gibber out insane pleas and apologies to the calm white thing that lay within; but, whatever my reason, I attacked the half-frozen sod with a desperation partly mine and partly that of a bounded natural functor (BNF)—a well-behaved type constructor for which nested (co)recursion is supported.

2:4 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more like a controlled use of shared memory.

Using Lisp we restrict or limit not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us.

It even produced more coherent political notions than Trump:

But the right to bear arms—you don’t want to edit

All of those quotes are in the first 3 pages, out of 94.

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe he did read Mein Kampf after all?

Fucking fascist Nazi piece of shit.

[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 24 points 2 years ago

He doesn't read

Likely got it from a new alt right friend he made in the last 8 years

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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let's play everyone's favorite game show - Trump or Hitler!

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I....I don't like this game....

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Pro tip: Trump is the one speaking English

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago
[–] Chozo@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Person, Frau, Mann, Kamera, Fernseher

[–] mocha_lotsofmilk@lemmy.world 143 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Just now? THIS is pushing the envelope? Lmao

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 74 points 2 years ago

And he almost crossed the line this time! Don't worry, they've already moved the line 10 yard back to give him some extra space to push the envelope further.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes, using an almost exact Hitler quote is pushing the envelope because it's a new level for him.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait, so when he talked about the lying press (Lügenpresse) that didn't count because why?

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Because accusing the media of dishonesty is a perfectly defensible thing to do. The way Trump did it was indefensible, and reminiscent of lugenpresse, but this is a far more specific use of Nazi language and concept.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

It’s so not a new level for him. Very fine people, great genetics, etc.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

It's not a new level for him, not even close.

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[–] pingveno@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, he is pushing the envelope now. And in the past. And in the future. Asking Donald Trump to not be a trash fire is like asking gravity to suddenly reverse. It ain't happening.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I used to push the envelope. I still do, but I used to too.

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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 90 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Adolf Hitler actually said that Jewish people and migrants were ‘causing a blood poisoning’ of Germany.”

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

yup, and we all know that Trump idolizes Hitler

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Alternate headline: "Racist racists racistly"

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I think "Racists racist, racistly" works better but that's just me. 🙂

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Only a matter of time before he starts talking about a "Final Solution" to the immigrant problem...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

DeSADIST has already started talking about killing them.

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemm.ee 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Donald Trump, second generation German immigrant, who has lived within sight of Lady Liberty most of his life, what an embarrassment, not only to Americans, but specifically New Yorkers, one of the most mixed melting pots of a city in the entire world. What a racist idiot, especially when you consider the fact that south and central Americans were here before white people, so if anybody is diluting America's blood line, it's white motherfuckers like myself and Donald Trump.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Msnbc with the soft-pedal. Corporate news continuing to fail us at almost every turn.

[–] whatupwiththat@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Exactly as they are paid to do

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I can't really comprehend how evangelical Christians find this man to be at all acceptable. In fact, he's treated as some sort of savior. Major disconnect.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Evangelical's whole platform is divine authority to rule. It ties right in with colonialism, white supremacy, and fascism. "I'm right 'cause I say my god said so". But I also believe that most Christian's today would crucify Christ all over again as a communist.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think this is a group of people who identify with being told what to believe by strong personalities who take strong positions.

Doesn't matter what they are told, that's not the point. It's the freedom from being asked to think, which if you consider it for a while, is a heavy burden removed.

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[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

NOBODY LOOK!

NOBODY LOOK!

NOBODY LOOK!

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

it's just gonna get more and more shrill as he swirls farther down that shitter bowl

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When a reporter asked how his five children were doing, the former president loudly exclaimed:

“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of our country.”

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Will the fucking "liberal media" wake up if he starts using the original German?

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[–] JuzoInui@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

This azzclown is becoming more of a NPC from Wolfenstein every freaking day. He won’t spill blood himself but trust and believe he’ll be furthest in the rear slopping it all up.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Fascists gonna fasc

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mark my words, this mother bugger getting arrested before these trials even over.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've become cynical at this point, I don't think he sees ANY time behind bars.

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