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Libs thinking we're on their side, until the point we reject electoralism and US imperialist propaganda. Then label as as "tankies".

Campists thinking we're on their side until the point we reject "AES" and "left unity". Then label as a "liberals".

Anarchists are clearly the rare species of "liberal tankie" 😆

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I took college courses on comparative politics. It wasn't until I read The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le Guin that I really understood what anarchy and communism are. I really love that book. It does a great job of portraying that world from both a biased, personal lens and then again from outsiders perspectives.

That being said - until we have a planet dedicated to it, I believe any attempt at anarchy will just get overrun by coordinated assholes with guns (read: states).

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Finding a way to defend yourself without reinventing the machinery of the state is certainly one of the larger practical problems facing anarchism.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anarchists can defend themselves just fine. We just need to learn not to trust MLs and libs to do it with as they'll backstab anarchists at the first opportunity they have to grab power. This sort of rhetoric is like claiming that democracy is a failed concept in the middle ages, because democracies "can't defend themselves from monarchies" or some shit.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

What are you talking about? The only currently extant anarchish communities are in places where states are weak. Anarchists in places with highly centralised states tend to get attacked by everyone, and that's a serious problem you can't just vibes away.

Wars, even ones you win, are a tremendous drain. States tend to suck at fighting non states, but that doesn't mean it's conducive to human flourishing for the non state people. States are also moronically optimistic about their ability to "productively" war.

This isn't some fringe concern. There's any number of proposals you can read on anarchists library about how to deal with this.

It has nothing to do with being failed. If you wanted to start a democratic collective in manorialist times then yes, figuring out how not to get invaded was very important.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not saying anything new, anarchism can't happen in times where the system is strong. It can happen when the system is in crisis if we set the relevant groundwork. And when it does, we can defend ourselves from the likewise weakened states.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

I didn't think I was saying anything new, just that it's a practical problem that needs solving.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly it makes me understand why tankies exist. I don't agree with them, but I get it. Just like I get capitalism. They both suck but they're both right for different reasons.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Lemmy has just ruined the word tankie but if you are referring to the more militant/dogmatic MLs then I would agree that I think a search for "realistic" solutions drives some of the more concerning/ardent believers.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 9 points 1 month ago

Even with our own planet, I fear someone would chuck an asteroid our way, à la "it's free real estate!" once the dust settles...

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

The dispossessed had the same affect on me as well, though i only recently read it, about a year ago.

[–] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

never heard of that book, I'll add it to my reading list;

[–] baahb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

++ recommend. Dont expect that there isnt criticism of the anarchist state

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My favorite definition comes from an anarchist woodworker.

Yes. Anarchist woodworker.

You can buy the book or download the PDF for free:

Anarchist's Tool Chest:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-tool-chest

"For me, it’s quickest to explain what anarchy isn’t. It’s not about violence, the overthrow of governments, the dismantling of corporations or even the smoking of a mild hallucinogen made from boiling banana peels (actually, I tried this. I don’t recommend it or the searing headache it brings). Instead, anarchism is the realization that all large institutions – governments, corporations, churches – have divided up the tasks we do in our jobs to the point where these institutions do wasteful, dehumanizing and stupid things.

Eunice Minette Schuster states in the book “Native American Anarchism” that American aesthetic anarchy is “the isolation of the individual – his right to his own tools, his mind, his body, and to the products of his labor.”

It’s a desire to work for yourself and to run in social and economic circles made up of other individual artisans."

2 other books in the series, same deal, PDFs are free.

Anarchist's Workbench:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-workbench

Anarchist's Design Book:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-design-book

Also worth reading:

Ingenious Mechanicks:

https://lostartpress.com/products/ingenious-mechanicks

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[–] BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Filtering Pugjesus' posts was the greatest boost to my lemmy experience.

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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wasn't this under the post about someone denying Uyghur genocide?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

“Denying” is a strong hyperbole to “overblowning.” Pugjesus is literally tankiejacketing instance administrators in an attempt to coagulate enforcement with his fash dynamics.

Instead of collaborating means of liberation, he’s not ending American DeathCamps in his own yard. Something about an a log stuck on your eye and all that.

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Old mate puggy is like the embodiment of the ?mark fischer? quote "it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism".

Then again, apparently I'm a tankie and racist who's going to move to the usa to inform on people with the wrong paperwork according to one user here.

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It really fucks up my mind trying to say who's the worst anarchist between the ones defending america's propaganda and the ones defending china's genocide. And it's not like they're really that much disagreeing, it's just relatively minor differences in their analysis, they all could probably agree that China is genociding Uyghurs and that Western right wings are amplifying it.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This was posted in MeanwhileOnGrad. There's a level of dedicated anti-socialism there that's a bit beyond using even the most pejorative use of 'lib'.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

anarchists being called tankies made me shit my pants laughing

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dude is a joker at best. Not worth taking seriously.

But what libs don't realize is that they're just western tankies. Same ideology, different empires.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 7 points 1 month ago

It's the other way around. Tankjesus has to be taken seriously as a fascist saboteur, instead of a jokester.

Let me know first hand when he liberated 🇺🇲. He seems to be enjoying deathcamps too much.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

we reject “AES” and “left unity”

Real Spanish Republican Hours. Who is ready for the next Franco Dictatorship?

[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

Clueless right wingers.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There is no such thing as left unity.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago (14 children)

orgs with differing views work together all the time including many flavours of unions, religious organizations, and lefty organizations. Just because people can’t agree on a particular theoretical point online doesn’t mean they don’t unite around causes irl.

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[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure there is - hating the Trots!

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think everyone of any political stripe can agree that diarrhea sucks.

Except libertarians they probably like that shit.

If the government took an official anti-diarrhea stance, libertarians would be shitting into each others’ mouths by the end of the week…

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