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My mum spoke to me shortly after it was announced that he'd died and I kinda was like "okay, feel bad for this children who had to witness it, can't say I can sympathise with him though he was hardly a saint himself" and my mum was like "he spoke out against the woke people" over and over

I told her he literally said little kids dying in school shootings is worth it so people can have guns. he said empathy doesn't exist and he doesn't have empathy for kids being killed. He ridiculed disabled people in his circles. That he advocated for the genocide in Gaza by supporting Israel's actions.

Then she was like "no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot" even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023. He's a man in a position of power and authority and influence over others, it's a bit different from "just having a different opinion".

She ended up getting pissed off at me and blanking me after that but I don't care. I guess me caring more about kids dying than guns makes me officially "woke" now but so be it. I'll stand by the fact I can't find anything redeemable about this man or any reason to sympathise with him

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 139 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

None of the variations of "woke" have ever been a bad thing to be.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 79 points 4 weeks ago

Calling people "kind" just didn't have the same sting to it.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 41 points 4 weeks ago

Indeed. Woke is anti-oppression and the system of oppression wants you to go back to sleep.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Charlie actually had tons of examples of why woke is evil. They all happen to be strawmen and fictitious, but he was never short of examples.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, he definitely was anti-crow.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 weeks ago

Honestly I’ve resorted to asking them to define “woke” and then break it down and ask them which “woke” attribute they’re against. They usually shut up and go away as, I hope, they realize on some level how stupid they sound saying they’re against basic human decency and rights.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 5 points 4 weeks ago

Crusties spending decades bemoaning the decline of respect and manners among the yoof, suddenly the switcheroo and they now bemoan the yoof for having respect and manners.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 83 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, I'm not surprised. A lot of older people are telling me they learned about Kirk today from the news. American News Media^TM^ are actively whitewashing him, just look up how they're talking about him on CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. They're making him seem like a political icon to GenZ/Gen alpha who likes to debate and "play devils advocate", instead of the architect of his own demise.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 62 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Charlie said empathy is for cucks. MFW your mom spits on his legacy

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 30 points 4 weeks ago

Charlie also didn't believe in gun control, so he's gotta be okay with what happened. I don't know how he'd feel about OP's mom disrespecting him like that.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 60 points 4 weeks ago

Wonder if she's sad about the school shooting that happened right after.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 58 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember the public outcry when couple of Dems got shot? Me neither

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Or the Denver shooting on the same day. ZERO COVERAGE.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 weeks ago

Sorry to hear your mother is toxic and unintelligent.

[–] Jtee@lemmy.world 36 points 4 weeks ago

Your mom's a fucking moron

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 weeks ago

I would have been laughing in her face for saying something so fucking stupid to me. It’s what I do to my dumb ass mom

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 26 points 4 weeks ago

Facts don't matter to someone like this. She's having emotions. That's the level you need to work on. She probably feels threatened, and like her in-group is under attack. You'd need to get her to see you as in-group before she'll listen.

We're all emotional creatures, but some people seem exclusively so.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago

You should be pissed at her for failing to agree with you that Charlie Kirk was a nazi piece of shit who had it coming.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 24 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)
[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Does the space pope wear a hat?

[–] Jtee@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Is the space pope reptilian?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Are reptiles Catholics?

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Is the space Vatican hiding the Illuminati?

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 weeks ago

Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: Yeah.

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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Oh dont worry. EVERYONE irl i know is freaking out over this. I just ask. What about the 3 children that were shot in Denver? Do they not matter compared to this person?

These are the same people that asked why I didn't care when James Dobson kicked it. Horrible human.

The media is so damn bought and paid for i cant believe they cant see it.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago

Then she was like “no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot” even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023.

Conservatives have absolutely no long term memory. They're completely ignorant of any history that doesn't prove their immediate point.

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

They changed Charlies pronouns on Wikipedia to was/were.

[–] toothpaste_sand@lemy.nl 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

He spoke out against the woke people... Ugh.

"Let’s get something straight: if being woke means caring about the well-being of others, challenging systems of oppression, and striving to make the world a kinder place, then we are unapologetically woke. Let the critics sneer. Let them turn “woke” into a punchline. Their disdain for compassion only underscores the necessity of staying true to its core values."

https://thezeitgeistonline.substack.com/p/we-will-always-be-proudly-woke-if

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 17 points 4 weeks ago

From this story it sounds lile your mom is both an idiot and a bad person. Sorry you have to deal with that.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Your mum is a fascist. Ask her if she'd have voted for Hitler during the Holocaust.

Her answer is probably denial.

Ask her if she would have voted for Netanyahu killing Gaza kids in a holocaust 2.0.

She'll prolly deny saying it's a different thing. She needs to be taken to a mass grave and see the actual skulls, the rotting bodies, to see the impact of her wretched hatred.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

Sorry about your mum. Have my remote empathy and compassion

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 12 points 4 weeks ago

Good. You shouldn’t have sympathy for fascists.

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Hey internet stranger. That sucks. You are a good person and sorry you have to be in this situation.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 4 weeks ago

Tell her to fuck off honestly.

I wish I did before mine died a couple weeks ago. I missed the chance.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

At least you can agree now that there was a good moment in his life, too.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I got ostracized and banned from a discord server for expressing exactly what you did. People are so caught up in the fact he got shot that they're not willing to look at the bigger picture of who he was and the horrible shit he is responsible for.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly it's like all context goes out the window and people are straight up denying the gross shit he said over the years

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Such a good point. My family has been having the conversation about why this is suddenly becoming a thing , more than other murders, and clearly we haven’t been paying attention to the toxic culture of hatred, divisiveness, outrage. I suppose he had the right to his opinion but we’d all be better off if we didn’t listen to it. Anyway, the Wikipedia entry paints him as a vile human being who helped stoke the flames of our society causing harm to many. I’ll have empathy for his family’s loss but the world seems better off

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

It’s ok some people are dumb. I have family members that funcking stupid.

[–] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm so sorry your mum isn't able to give your feelings the space and respect they deserve. You're completely right. And fact is undeniable, he didn't deserve anything, other than what he advocated for all his life. Also your mum is probably just grieving or feeling socialitically pressured to grieve. How your mum is feeling can be entirely separated from the person she's feeling that for. Don't address the person she's grieving but maybe you can offer her kindness for her feelings, which, I'm assuming would be adulting beyond your developed years. Put clear boundaries down that you aren't changing your opinion on the subject, nor do you want to speak of it, but you care about how she feels. Because people's feelings matter, regardless of whether they're perceived by others as being about unreasonable things, and maybe that will help her learn to be more emotionally supportive, at very least, it'll set a good boundary for you and how you expect her to treat your feelings in future. My mum is a bit like yours, I've never found a good balance, and I can barely speak to her, and I've had many many years of no contact at all, it's hard to go through, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but sometimes that's the path you end up on, after exhausting all options available at the time. I hope you're able to find a way to co-exist, more peacefully than I was able.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

Another family member lost to fox news propaganda

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Did you mean blanking or blocking?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 weeks ago

Hit her with all the memes of his quotes.

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