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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Explanation: There's a Chinese town called Zhelaizhai which was founded by prisoners of war in the late 1st century BCE. A theory popped up at some point that those prisoners of war could have been Roman prisoners captured by the Persians at Carrhae who found their way east. While the evidence is circumstantial at best, and there are no solid findings that would support a large-scale Roman presence (even of prisoners far from home), the town has seized on the legend with some enthusiasm, which is cool af.

DNA testing shows that there isn't any exceptional admixture of European ancestry in the town, but as the Romans themselves did not place great deal of value on blood ancestry, as far as I'm concerned, the ancestral lares of the legionaries watch over the town of Zhelaizhai and the families therein o7 o7 o7 o7 o7

There's even a modern statue built in the town to commemorate the legend

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Gotta say, love the explanations behind these posts.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

I aim to entertain! 🙏

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The evidence in the first paper is a bit thin (to say the least), but a cool hypothesis I hadn't heard before.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

The evidence in the first paper is a bit thin (to say the least)

Well... it is. Something like k→x~h→Ø isn't weird at all, so the correspondence set isn't weird. But it's still too small to rule out alternate hypotheses, like coincidence and borrowing; specially because only a few of those words are core vocab, and those families (Yeniseian, Mongolic, Turkic, Tungusic) interacted so much that there's a lot of noise there.

Still tempting though; specially given localisation.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought the theory was that people spread from Siberia to North America when the Bearing Straight had a land bridge. So having a common language root isn't weird at all.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That is the theory, but the cool thing is that we're able to use the Comparative Method to prove relatedness between these two language groups at all.

The Comparative Method is usually considered to only work to a time depth of around 10,000 years, past which regular sound change, analogy, and borrowing pile on top of each other to the point where any remaining regular correspondences become unrecognizable.

The "pop" idea has usually been that the "land bridge" was crossed around 40,000 years ago, but that's waaaaay past where we would be able to prove any relatedness in the languages spoken in the Americas and Asia. The linguistic evidence indicates that the most recent migration must have happened not too far past 10k years ago.

I believe the current thought is that there were at least three different major migrations from Asia to the Americas, with the oldest happening around 40k years ago, and the most recent being Dene speakers and occurring no longer than 15k years ago, though others may be able to better speak to this. Either way, this is a great example of how linguistic evidence can securely inform and complement archaeological work.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It may be a myth but I think a lost legion movie could be pretty awesome.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't even be close to the most inaccurate Roman Hollywood movie ever made. LET'S GOOOOOO!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I just want to see legionnaires learning kung fu to defend a monastery against horse archers

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Get in line, I'm still waiting for my Anabasis movie!

(Yes, I'm a Greekaboo through and through)

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not even a Greekaboo and I would love that

[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

The Lost Legion suffered a schism. The faction that left found a small island in the south Pacific and, along with other rag-tag refugees, developed into the Waponi people.

They live a simple existence, fishing in the lagoon, picking fruit.

They have a surprisingly deep sense of spirituality, summed up by their understanding that we are the children of children and we live as we are shown.

[–] Mandarbmax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lost legion descendant and Kai Feng Jew buddy cop movie when?