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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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In the video, agents can be seen kneeling on the man’s back and crushing his neck. At one point the gun falls out of one of the agents’ holsters and after scrambling to grab it, he points it at the crowd of people watching and filming his brutality. His partner briefly draws his weapon and aims at the crowd, too, while the man on the ground repeatedly yells “I am American!” Talisman estimates there were about 30 witnesses gathered at the scene, with many others driving by.

After about 20 seconds, the first officer aims his gun towards the ground, with one hand resting on top of the gun and the other appearing to still be on the trigger. He remains in this position for another seven minutes. “What’re you gonna do? Shoot me?” one witness yells. “Go ahead. Shoot me.”

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

That's a pretty bold thing to yell at members of a violent government agency operating with unfettered authority.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

It's literally a starter pistol at that point. If the cops start shooting, there's no reason for a good guy with a gun to hold back either. Go ahead. Take the first shot. It won't be the last.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago

People are starting to have less and less to lose so a bullet from those fucking cowards won’t be much to fear

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And the hooome of theeee braaave

"OMG there is actually a brave american!"

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

It may sound like I'm keyboard warrioring with this statement, but I am so over everything that this country is doing, combined with my own personal bullshit, that I would gladly take a bullet as a civilian bystander in this case. I could at least feel I'd have some fucking impact on this shit show.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ooh boy we’re getting real close to shredding these fucking magat Nazis in the streets

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For reals though the vast majority of people being held at gunpoint who get shot say something like “go ahead and shoot me”.

DO NOT SAY THIS.

“You’re a traitor, Rambo”
“Your mom called and said you forgot your bullets”\

Anything else, basically. Safety first.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But maybe it needs people being shot to wake the populace up. Maybe these people saying things like that are fine with that outcome. Not everyone cares or should care about "safety first" like you do.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey if you feel the need to be shot to wake the populace up, knock yourself out - in fact, use those words to increase the liklihood.

I'm just saying for those who are not so inclined; don't use those words.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

It worked out well for Kirk!

[–] ThinkBeforeYouPost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The last count I heard was 16 folks have been shot by ICE this year, but it's hard to find figures.

[–] Quexotic 3 points 6 days ago

Huh, I wonder why I haven't heard or seen it in the news... /s

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

At one point the gun falls out of one of the agents’ holsters

It was tucked into his belt, which is why it fell out. A proper holster probably would have prevented the rest of what followed.

His partner briefly draws his weapon and aims at the crowd, too

I did not see that happen in the video.

After about 20 seconds, the first officer aims his gun towards the ground, with one hand resting on top of the gun and the other appearing to still be on the trigger.

After the “officer” fumbles and recovers the handgun, I saw him hold it pointed at the crowd for several seconds. He then moved it into a “low ready” position, pointing it towards the ground at a 45 degree angle away from his body. I did not see his finger on the trigger once in the remaining ~7 minutes of the video.

Carrying a firearm without a secure holster was a huge mistake. Pointing the firearm at the crowd after recovery was an even bigger mistake.

To his credit, what I saw after that was proper muzzle and trigger discipline. Without a safe place to store it, the safest thing for him to do was to keep the firearm in his hands, his finger along slide, and the muzzle aimed at the ground.

This person is clearly under trained and under equipped, I’m sure there are many like him in ICE.

Since it probably needs clarification for somebody, I do not agree with how ICE is being used by the current administration. I already has problems with a lot of the ways ICE has been used by previous administrations.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago

The person who yelled that has my deepest respect. It's not a dumb thing to do: it's disregard for your own life to achieve a greater goal.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

...for some reason, i keep thinking the endgame is the library of alexeandria(back and forth arrows)the library of congress.........knowledge seems to be the only disarmarmament

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No one knows what the future holds but I hope AI and facial recognition follows these pieces of shit for the rest of their miserable lives and ruins any chance that they will ever get another job. Anywhere. Ever.

May every Trump regime henchman end up destitute, on the street til the day they die.