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Mr Yoder said that one of his friends was in the middle of a visit with community elders to discuss a shunning for different reasons when the alert on his phone went off.
I know this is a terrible day for that person, but it is really hard not to find the humor in this little snippet of the story.
Shunning the school canoe? You'd better believe that's a-shunning!
As "innocent" as they are portrayed, the hypocrisy is the least of their problems. Their abuse of both people and animals is extremely widespread and rarely talked about.
The man they mention in this article (Eli Yoder) regularly brings it up and confronts it.
He interviewed a woman one time who was raped by her brothers and she got in trouble right along with them for being “tempting” and not modest enough.
The abuse started when she was a small child.
They don’t go to the police when they catch people, they take them to the elders and punish them within the group. They usually just get shunned for a bit.
Wives regularly get blamed when their daughters are abused by their husbands. “You should do your wifely duties so he isn’t tempted.”
I’ve heard some wild stories watching this guy.
He really works hard to bring education and information to people who are trapped in that reality. He also provides resources and support when people want to escape.
Not that this isn't possible, but the entire article is based off one guy talking about it on TikTok . Which is probably about as reliable as a bunch of those creative writing exercises on AITA.
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I have followed Eli on YouTube forever and I believe him.
He does all of the things he says he’s going to do. He films himself dropping packages (phones in plastic bags usually) to the Amish. He films the people he frees from the cult. He interviews people who got out regularly. He and I don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things (religious views, political views), but I trust what he says.
Some of the people he’s interviewed have made me raise my eyebrows, but he hasn’t.
I mean, your point is still valid, but I believe him.
Probably but I wouldn't expect many other Amish (except those with the phones) to be talking about it lmao
“shunned” by their church
Take that as a compliment and move on.
Being shunned in Amish culture is VERY aggressive. You’re basically cut off from the community and family. You can’t get rides, you have to eat alone, etc. It’s pretty fucked up.
Mormons also have versions of this that are notoriously fucked up. Stay in line or lose contact with everyone you love.
Yup. It sounds a lot like Scientology. Or pretty much every other cult/religion out there. LOL
If their way of life was so amazing, people would WANT to stay in it. Holding them hostage or else... just seems... less than ideal. 😵
Scientology literally has an illegal prison to throw you in.
To be fair, some religions are much more aggressive about burning bridges than others. If I piss off my Catholic family, I just get passive aggressive quips from my mother in law at Christmas. I can still see my family, go home to my wife, and still work in the city they reside in.
A couple of decades ago I worked with an ex-mormon. Shunned by his family, his sister would still call to wish him merry Christmas etc.. I remember overhearing one of those calls; "merry Christmas sis, and tell mom and dad I'm very glad I'm not there".
Jehovah's Witnesses too.
Yeah I’ve heard with Jehovas Witnesses it’s extreme. I haven’t heard the same about Mormons actually.
Technically all Christians have a version of this. Though even in "Bible Churches" it is usually tempered by the second bit below, and processes of repentance and whatnot.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
I Corinthians 5
15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Matthew 18
As an aside, that Corinthians bit spells it out in plain-ass English that any "Christian" screaming at non-Christians about being gay, trans, or whatever either do not know their Bible or only use it when it supports the actions they already want to take.
As a second aside, it is kind of funny what one still remembers even after being out of the church for a couple decades.
Even worse is for example domestic violence and abuse victims who might have a secret phone stashed away which could be located with the very loud emergency alert. I seem to recall posts going around to notify those people to have their phone turned off during that time.
My wife found my burner phone and now I can't go party
My wife found my burner that I use to sext with her, and she discovered that Im not just her husband, but Im also her secret boyfriend she met on tinder.
I once called a guy about something he was advertising in the classifieds. I called him on Easter Sunday. He answered, but said he needed a second before he could talk.
Turns out he was Amish. I called an Amish man on the phone... on Easter Sunday. He answered... while he was in church.
I called an Amish man on his cellphone, which he answered in the middle of Easter mass, to talk about his classified ad.
This was the most tame interaction I've had with Amish folk. They're fucking hardcore.
You know that scene in Parks and Rec where Ron Swanson tips a jug of moonshine up onto his shoulder and pours it down his gullet? I've fucking seen a bearded guy with a big hat and no buttons do that IRL.
The Amish know how to party.
Not all Amish view technology as entirely something against their religion. Peter Santenello has a bunch of great videos where he interviews Amish people and understands their culture. This is a good one on that topic: https://youtu.be/EgY1SVXiBrU?si=E2zTNOhQxm6Qcgff
Correct. Amish are Mennonites who shun other Mennonites. The elders of their church decide for the local congregation what is and isn't appropriate conduct. If you disagree, you are shunned.
If the congregation down the road disagrees, those folks are shunned.
So you get very customized, local, specific lists about what is and isn't allowable.
Really, it looks more extreme, but it's no different than independent baptist churches or churches of christ 'disfellowship'-ing with other congregations over doctrinal minutia.
In all cases you will get a few congregations thinking that only their congregation of 20-50 folks are the only ones in the world who "go to heaven". 😂
So, all Amish might not agree what technologies are worth shunning over, but they all agree that some technologies are worth restricting their members access to, upon penalty of shunning.
I once knew a guy that lived in an area with a large Amish population, and at one point he saw an Amish kid playing a handheld game. He asked him hey, aren’t you Amish? I thought you guys weren’t allowed to have electronics? And the kid told him that his dad said that since it wasn’t Nintendo it didn’t count, lmao.
Yeah, the dude I called lived in a much more progressive sect. He was actually the "cab driver" for his community, which is why he had a cellphone. He also had a computer and a very rudimentary website for the stuff he was selling in the classifieds.
I thought Jesus preached forgiveness. Why isn't that lesson being followed?
Oh it's because religion is bullshit and its followers are hypocrites
This is weird because lots of Amish communities let people have cell phones, you just can't use it in the house.
Also there are a lot of different sects of Amish. On one extreme there are the Amish who use the internet with a few restrictions, and on the other are the Amish who won't touch anything that uses electricity. It's a broad society. They're pretty much all kinda shitty to women, but that's diverse too.
Technology is bad! AI sucks! Video games make kids violent! The world was better before we had all this screen time!
-Posted from my iPhone
lmao not so tight knit if a bunch of people have phones and you dont know about it
Sufferers of domestic violence with hidden phones is a far more important issue.
Why can no one on social media hold more than one thought in there head at a time?
Indeed. Fucking red herrings...
I mean, a lot of Amish people probably meet that definition.
Shunning is a cult practice, this is one of the reasons I strongly dislike the Amish
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Members of the Amish community have been “shunned” by their church after the recent test of an emergency alert system outed them as having procured forbidden mobile phones.
The alarms – part of the nationwide emergency alert drill that the US government carried out on 4 October – drew the attention of community elders in Ohio.
Eli Yoder, a former member of the Amish community, took to TikTok to share the story, in which he explained how three of his friends had gotten into trouble after the devices were discovered.
Mr Yoder said that one of his friends was in the middle of a visit with community elders to discuss a shunning for different reasons when the alert on his phone went off.
In the comments section of his video Mr Yoder added: “From now on, I guess I have to remember to give all my Amish buddies a heads up if there is a planned emergency alert test.”
It states that such devices including television, automobiles, telephones or tractors are “considered to be a temptation that could cause vanity, create inequality, or lead the Amish away from their close-knit community.”
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