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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 96 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's too late to avoid problems; but it's certainly not too late to take action. This is not a binary yes / no or climate change / no climate change situation. It's a continuum. We can't avoid it completely, but the longer we delay action the worse it gets. There is still a lot of room for it to get worse. So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been, even if some problems are unavoidable.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been

Middle managers : “Come back to working in the office”

Us: ”we work on computers and can easily work from home and have done so for years now being very productive without adding to the emissions of the road use”

Middle managers: “Fuck the earth. I don’t feel like my job is valid unless you’re here so I can micromanage you”

[–] katkit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I like to frame it as, even if you can't avoid crashing into a wall, it still makes a huge difference whether you do it with a 120km/h, 70km/h or 20km/h.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Well, unfortunately we are looking at the likely scenario of cascading ecosystem failures, quickly leading to most humans on earth starving to death.

[–] whitepawn@reddthat.com 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a leadership problem. The problem really does need to be solved at the top.

The reality is most working class cannot just stop, unless handed a practical alternative because stopping would mean not going to work, not earning income, and being rendered homeless. Likely living in their car first which would put oil consumption right back in play.

Whatever alternative you’re thinking of that the working class might be able to achieve as an individual probably has a buy-in cost. Given the even greater number of folks living paycheck to paycheck in the last two years, that buy-in isn’t a plausible ask.

Sucks. But here we are. Find a cost free (to the working class individual) solution that doesn’t interrupt the 5-6 day/wk work schedule or require any extra costs or moving and you’ll solve it. Until then, working class folks are going to do what they must to keep the lights on and the water running, and that’s usually going to be commuting to work in a gas consuming vehicle. As such, the solution needs to come from the top, not the bottom.

Earnest question. Is there enough lithium on the planet to turn around every vehicle in the United States to electric? Assume infrastructure for charging. Even then, do we even have the lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel, and graphite or whatever else electric vehicle batteries need for it?

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What I'm thinking the working class can do is protest, civil disruption, direct action, unionisation, labour strikes, and worker action.

Labour is entitled to all it creates.

[–] whitepawn@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

Time is often the ultimate commodity. It’s why you see some of the poorest folks grabbing fast food. No time for groceries or cooking in earnest.

How do you fit time for all of what you just said into that work/life schedule?

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a common misconception that the planet as a life bearing vessel is in danger - it is not. It's just that human civilization is probably fucked (and thousands of other species).

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, you're a man wearing a polar bear head so..yes?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think you'd disrespect Mr Polar Bear Head to his face.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 years ago

Of course not! I couldn't stand the seal breath I'd have to endure in order to say stuff to his face!

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mildly interesting: this scene in the meme is actually about accidentally putting spicy pepperoni in the kids eyes.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] narp@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

In Germany those are often called peperoni or peperoncino

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[–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is incorrect. Climate change won't destroy the planet just the people living on it. The planet doesn't give 2 fucks.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh for fucks sake this comment again...

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Every time.

[–] Slartibartfass@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

Martina Hill. Beschde

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

We deserve it !

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

We were doomed the moment lead was put in gasoline.

[–] LunaticSoda@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

what a crybaby, just get over it