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[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes.

Whether they want to admit it or not, that was the whole point - spite and making the people that make you feel insecure suffer out of spite.

It's a form of social regression that people in the Balkans like to sum up by saying "It's not important that I feel good. What's important is that the other person suffers."

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

Some people only feel 'successful' through their perceived 'position' in society.

They want to believe they are above others.

If you think like that, then pushing others down is a perfectly valid route to happiness - and far faster and easier than working on yourself would be.

[–] thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Misery loves company, and making the population insecure such that they need to fragment into insular groups, creates an environment where conservatism and faith can spread, while the intellectual gains we've made throughout the information age are placed behind gates and degrade outside the walls. Trumpers were sold a path toward personal control, but it was clearly a bamboozle that affects us all, themselves being some of the hardest hit. We'll all suffer for the slide toward conservatism and ignorance, and the hierarchy will prosper for a little while longer.

We are in quite a pickle. Jumping on the pendulum, breaking out the pitchforks, and stringing up the other side would only further advance the very conditions that weaken the collective. We lose if we take the bait. We lose if we don't. Our best chance of success lies in resisting the push toward insularity and distributing quality information to all, against the torrent of propaganda from state-influenced media. Now, how the hell do we effectively distribute countervailing information to the population that needs it most (those drawn to faith-based argumentation)?

I know I'm preaching the obvious to the choir. Just a coffee ramble.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Too confrontarional, the people who should read it will stop after the first sentence.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

The people this is written for will never see it.

That's why I think this type of social media posting here is a waste of time. It is just preaching to the choir.

I think people understand that social media platforms curate content for them specifically (" the algorithm" or "my algorithm") but absolutely fail to understand that this is true for other people.

This type of thing will not show up in the feed of desired audience.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

There's no coddling fascists

That was learned 2016-2020

Now is the time to mock them and to let them know their violent rhetoric leads to them getting shot.

[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Grand Ariana Grande <3

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago

The "others" suffering was payment enough for many.

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 285 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 121 points 1 week ago (5 children)

We've reached the point of idiocracy where everything needs to be read aloud.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

No, we haven't. Quit comparing everything to idiocracy; it was overly optimistic compared to reality.

Our problem is not well-meaning stupid people. Our problem is malevolent smart people leading hateful stupid people.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And then have Grok summarize and "flavour" it.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 22 points 1 week ago

~~read~~ empathize

That's truly what they're unable to do: consider others. They don't know how it feels to be not-them, and they don't care.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 138 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a rational question. Unfortunately it won't get the desired result, because the target audience is not going to behave rationally:

  • The media that they consume is following the fascist playbook. They're telling the audience that if things are not better yet, then it's because there are others still left to blame, and the worse things get the harder those others are going to be blamed for it.
  • Even if someone moves past that propaganda, it's been ingrained into them that to accept being incorrect is to admit failure. They've been primed to dig in and double down, lest their peers see them as a failure, or even worse as others.
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 31 points 1 week ago

So many "My business is failing because of tariffs. Those dirty foreigners!" and then follow up with "Sure, I'd vote for him again! I support what he does."

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Yes. They are happier.

They aren’t interested in making life better for anyone. They want it shittier for everyone else rather than actually improve themselves so they don’t have exert any effort or make sacrifices. The suffering they do get from trump’s policies is unexpected or “worth it” to fuck over everyone else.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Over July 4th, I had a fun interaction with a guy running a firework stand in Indiana. I was out there visiting family, and my wife's stepdad asks the guy at the shop if the tariffs are impacting him. His response:

"It's fucked!" Then republican brain kicked in "b b b but u know it's worth it in the long term"

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Exactly, it doesn't matter if Trump's administration makes life worse for MAGA supporters. He could make their lives a living hell for all they care, arguably they're already there. His supporters just want to see people they don't like get hurt. That's it, they want to witness cruelty. Any conservative who didn't jump off MAGA band wagon a long time ago has fully drank the cool-aid.

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[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't like Ariana's music, but I respect her as a person and she's very talented at what she does. Despite people constantly making fun of her.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'll admit, I used to be in the anti-Ariana crowd after the whole donut thing surfaced. (Despite being a dumb teen when it happened who, despite not doing things similar, could understand the social pressure of doing it.) But every interview snippet I've seen with her has shown that she's got a good head on her shoulders and most importantly isn't afraid to tell people they're being a jackass on live television.

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago
[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 week ago

They just want someone to suffer more than them

[–] Veedems@piefed.social 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Respect to her for being brave enough, as a public figure, and risking an endless torrent of backlash.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is not how some Trump voters I know think at all; it's not how they think of Trump. Bring up any of these points and they'd think you're totally paranoid.

I witnessed a group of old guys watching the movie 'One Battle After Another' scratch their heads and have literally, honestly no idea what it was about.

It's because they're in the habit of watching Fox News or other 'old' media. Trump's just some Republican like they've always voted for with a bunch of hysterical finger pointers, and any Democrat is basically Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

That's only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.

I honestly don't know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn't the same.

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[–] maxmm77@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ariana didn’t write this. That Instagram person Matt did, and Ariana reposted it.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Matt Bernstein, he's also got a podcast called A Bit Fruity, which (imo) has some very good takes.

Nah it was Matt Berenstain

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I keep asking the conservatives in my life this. Thanos snap, all migrants are gone, how has your life improved? The only straight answer I've gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits. Their proof relied on an omission from their source about who is going to lose benefits. The cost of enforcement, detention and removal was outside the bounds of the original question.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago (7 children)

She licked that donut that one time and I haven't been able to let that go.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

You lick one donut, you get ridiculed for life.

You rape a bunch of women and children while committing financial crimes, you become President of the United States

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