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it's all i hear across the political spectrum: "nobody should be killed for their opinions"

sure, that's fair. you can hold that position, but what does that have to do with Charlie Kirk? if we are going to lend credence to the idea his killer did what he did to stop Kirk from further spreading fascism and bigotry then an opinion would have been the least of the killer's concerns. opinions don't do anything on their own. simply stating how you feel about something and maintaining your beliefs is not oppressive to anyone. it's when you commit action based on that belief and that is what Charlie Kirk had done very, very successfully the last ten or so years of his life.

Charlie Kirk took his beliefs and turned them into a movement. TPUSA, his political organization that he co-founded, has over one thousand chapters nationwide. Imagine if the KKK had that many locations in 2025. He was able to amass an insane amount of support for Trump/MAGA and Christian nationalism as a whole that it blows away anything he did prior to throwing himself in the Trump administration swamp.

people are still stuck on seeing him as some kind of internet guy or podcaster or talking head.. no lol. no, no, no, god i wish. Trump doesn't reach as far without Kirk, Trump doesn't appeal to young crowds without Kirk, Trump doesn't get older conservatives to see him as having longevity without Kirk.. he took the MAGA message and cemented it as an identity; he validated and perpetuated their whole brand.

Kirk is so instrumental in Trump's image and PR that MAGA wouldn't have organized itself as well without him. Jan 6? TPUSA bused folks to the capitol. They were actively participating in the overthrowing of a democratically elected leader.

this was not about opinions; this was not about beliefs. Kirk was shot because of what he did and was doing. acting like he was a victim of having too wrong of an opinion takes away all the real-world damage he contributed to; the literal deaths he was responsible for through stochastic terrorism and COVID denialism.

we have to face and accept the reality of righteous assassinations. this isn't to say to agree with or support them, but to merely acknowledge them as inevitable and not worthy of condemnation. lone assassinations are never helpful for the cause they intend to support, but when there are no peaceful, non-violent options left and you are being systematically killed by the state and its actors, a violent response in self-defense is understandable. don't avoid these actions, show the country what is at risk when we allow fascists to terrify and subjugate us. this is the ultimate fault of those keeping us oppressed, not the person pulling the trigger.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I get a bit of amusement from the fact that both he and his mentor met their ends so ironically.

His mentor was a COVID denier that died of COVID.

He was a gun violence denier that died in the midst of a gun violence denial argument from gun violence.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

His opinions supported and boosted fascism. I wouldn't care if he was killed for those opinions.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Look, everyone praising Kirk is a manipulative piece of shit. We all know that. They all know that. The end?

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I am definitely not the sharpest knife in the bucket but what I’m hearing is something something something you can’t put toothpaste back in the tube. Amirite? Or way way off base? Perhaps somewhere in the middle of this crazy Venn diagram?

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

not exactly but i see how you got there. i'm saying Kirk's actions led to his assassination, not his beliefs or even the advocacy of his beliefs. it was (potentially if motives are established) the coordination of politicized hatred and fascism that fueled the shooter, and people like the shooter are a natural response to systemic slaughtering of human beings. it cannot be argued otherwise. why would we not defend ourselves using any method necessary as a threatened animal? fascism requires the dehumanization of others and authoritarianism for whatever ideology it is being applied to. fascism is inherently violent and dangerous and a risk to human life, so we should expect lone assassinations while we are subjected to their control.

and not only that but we should just shrug and go, "oh well." we do it with gun violence lmao why not do it to the killings of fascists and white supremacists???? why is that insane to people or "too far?" we can ignore children being slaughtered in school but lose our shit at those shrugging their shoulders when fascist bite the bullet? fuck out of here lol. this is what is going to happen and if you want it to stop then end fascism.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As I understand it, he was killed by someone who thought the Kirk wasn't Fascist enough.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Stochastic terrorism playing out for real it seems like.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

no, it's not "so i say" lol. we don't know that. it isn't known, is my only point. if that is the case it hasn't yet been established. nothing has.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

i don't believe much of anything coming from the government about his killer. Aside from the fact that the texts, messages on the bullets, etc feel extremely cheap and far fetched -- does anyone actually have a direct interview with the parents or friends? I still very much believe that this was a false flag.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All we really know is that the killer was unwell, and spent a lot of time on forums with other people who were unwell.

There’s a solid chance the motive was to troll both sides. Or just to be famous. Or just for the lols.

I don’t disagree with the commenter talking about Kirks real power, and that this wasn’t an assassination of an opinion. I just don’t think we can say we know until there is a reason given by the killer under oath I guess, but even that could be another troll, right?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

That's the most 21st Century thing I've ever heard; committing an assassination to troll people.

I mean, you couldn't imagine John Wilkes Booth leaving a diary entry saying it was all for the lolz.

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

WTF. There are plenty of righteous assassinations worldwide, depending on your pov. If I had enough people believe, your murder could be a righteous assassination. Most of the executions under Sharia law are considered righteous.

If you advocate for political violence, you are opening yourself up for... political violence. You are rooting on face eating leopards.

If you firmly believe what you are saying, go out and say it in public.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you firmly believe what you are saying, go out and say it in public.

i have said it in public. i have paid the price for doing so as well. (hello)

There are plenty of righteous assassinations worldwide, depending on your pov.

yeah there sure are, and some of those are wrong and done by bad people. i'm sorry you don't believe in objective morality but i do. that doesn't mean all of morality is objective but some of it sure is.

If you advocate for political violence, you are opening yourself up for… political violence. You are rooting on face eating leopards.

where do you see me advocating for political violence? point it out. i am merely saying it is inevitable and it isn't worth attempting to resist or condemn. you are criticizing victims of fascism for not behaving logical as they are slaughtered lol like please, fuck off.