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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

isn't a big part of the whole setup that this would not help much? like Gotham is just too corrupt, whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they're mostly just stolen from.

Wayne is a philanthropist who gives a ton of money back through his own programs, right? presumably better overseen than the government ones.

I don't know how much money of Wayne's is actually used for philanthropy, but he can't just give the city all his wealth because it's too corrupt for it to be used well, right?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 15 minutes ago

whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they’re mostly just stolen from.

I'm reminded of the time Walgreens reported they were raising prices and closing stores because of rampant crime, but later admitted they made it the fuck up.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

So why isn’t Batman beating up corrupt politicians and judges instead of crippling poor people who have no other opportunity to make money than to work for a villain?

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

it was like that since the O`Neil days if not earlier.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 3 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

Huh, a post on Lemmy completely misunderstanding Batman. Must be a day that ends in "y".

Why isn’t Batman fighting corruption and beating up judges, cops and politicians? Cause he’s out crippling a dozen poor people who had no other way to make money than to work for the joker or whoever

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 2 points 27 minutes ago (3 children)

Here is a short list of shit going on in Gotham at any given time, not including the wide array of psychopaths and supervillains doing shit at any given time:

  1. The insane asylum with the portal to hell (Depending on if you consider Living Hell canon or not.)
  2. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  3. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.
  4. The remnants of the evil warlock who was sealed under the city for centuries.
  5. The massive mafia presence and general corruption.
  6. The Illuminati that uses zombie soldiers.

That is not shit proper taxation is going to resolve. You can't protected bike lane away the zombie controlling Illuminati.

“Decent people shouldn’t live here. They’d be happier someplace else”

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

He could literally call up a couple folks he knows who have absurd, godly super powers to shut all of that down, or pick up the entire chunk of landmass those problems are stuck in and hurl them into the sun.

Meanwhile, setting up huge social programs to raise the quality of life for every Gotham resident which would decentivize crime and the wacky crime lords wearing funny outfits and other gimmicks would suddenly find the city less profitable and harder to hire thugs.

It would take a lot of time and resources, it would be challenging, but eventually it would make a difference enough to help the quality of life for millions of residents. More lives would be saved than a single incident involving a giant bomb being used to threaten a bank or some shit.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago
  1. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  2. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.

Fixing contaminants to the water supply is absolutely something proper taxes should be able to solve.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 2 points 39 minutes ago

Unfortunately Bruce is really poor. Everything he uses day-to-day belongs to a foundation on the Caymans, whose owners are not known. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Cannot tax that guy.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

In Batman's defence, he doesn't decide the tax policies and I'm pretty sure he is already an avid philanthropist and political donator for anti-poverty policy.

Hes rich enough to influence policy

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

This thread is full of people who have never read Batman comics.

Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.

Batman is effectively sisyphus in that regard.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago (1 children)

Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.

It's more like, this post is full of people describing why the only way the storyline can stay realistic is by introducing supernatural evil.

If it were not a cursed city and if Batman was really a hero who wanted to help people, he would do the social programs and investment in community, but that would be a pretty lousy monthly comic book for kids to read and buy batman merchandise.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 minutes ago

He does do those though?

[–] person___man@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

Not only that, most fully realized versions of the character channel both the vigilante AND playboy personas to fight crime, using Wayne Enterprises to create welfare programs and jobs so Gothamites need not resort to crime to put food on the table.

There’s a scene where Batman pacifies a room of Black Mask goons without lifting a FINGER - he hacks the projector screen simply shows them a Wayne Foundation advertisement for better, safer jobs. One by one, every man simply drops their weapons and walks out the door as their crime boss irately yells at them to come back.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Lmao, im gonna leave it.

Gothman is a meme in my friend group. He is effectively sad batman, a regular goth guy, and a visigoth all at the same time or which he ever needs to be at the time.

He may not be the meme we deserve, but he is the one that we need to burn Rome.

Superman instead of Batman but https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-07-13 is pretty much this

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 22 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Oh you're saying we should tax wealth, and we should not tax work.

For a second I thought you were saying "taxing wealth does not work" like a tribal. Few word sometimes do trick.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Tax income no work

Wealthy still get more wealth

No wealthy get even less wealth

Must tax wealthy not no wealthy

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 79 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Men will LITERALLY construct an entire persona based around their phobias as a result of trauma over witnessing the murder of their parents during a mugging orchestrated by crime bosses and spend millions of dollars on toys and gadgets to act out revenge fantasies and calling it vigilante justice rather than go to therapy.

[–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 28 points 5 hours ago (2 children)
[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Bruce Wayne goes to therapy, not Batman, it's different (canonically).

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

So uh … his therapist must suck for not treating that borderline Personality Disorder and uncovering his dissociative identity disorder

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Batman IS the primary personality and he's never gone to therapy, so theres really nothing the Therapist can do about it at that point.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago

No it's fine, Batman is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the fake and that's why he needs therapy.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 38 minutes ago

Every time he talks to a therapist they end up becoming a villain.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 2 hours ago

Given that the most successful therapists in Gotham are people like Dr. Harleen Quinzel, I'm not confident they can overlook their own issues.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 hours ago

I remember in some of the animated series that he would go to therapy but was not open and putting up his playboy billionaire persona. Honestly it seemed like a waste of a time for him if he wasn't being honest, unless it was to keep up appearances. Closest I think he gets to actual therapy is talking to Alfred.

[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

We are assuming that somehow if Wayn pays large sums of wealth to the government, the government wouldn't just be their usual wasteful, corrupt, self serving self with said money. You get every current billionaire in the USA to pay a fair tax. Where do you think the money goes? Funding for food stamps or Lockeed-Martin?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I think pretty much every study even made has shown taxing the rich and investing in the public reduce crime rates and poverty. It's the reason the USA had a massive middle class before Reagan and has experienced massive wealth disparity today: differences in tax policy and public investment.

[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, but that's not really the point. The point is that "taxing the rich" and "investing in the public" aren't necessarily the same thing. Just cause the government is collecting money doesn't mean it's spending it responsibly. Especially in the (literally) comically-corrupt world of Gotham.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I have absolute faith that any government willing to tax the oligarchs is also willing to spend it responsibly.

For example, China is a shithole dystopian nightmare but even they provide food, education, and housing to the most vulnerable.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Also in the DC universe, the equivalent of Lockeed-Martin is Wayne Enterprises. There's stories where Bruce is conflicted in making weapons, but nonetheless, his fortune is built on the military industrial complex.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

So Bruce Wayne is somehow worse than freaking Tony Stark?

Then again Stark is an inventor and comics-level genius who lacks a secret identity, so pivoting to another industry was way easier for him. Bruce Wayne probably can't change his company too much without losing a ton of pull and drawing unwanted attention to himself, plus losing access to the gadgets he relies on.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Didn't Stark divest from weapons manufacturing to researching clean energy instead, after he got hit by that one bomb of his?

I haven't read the comics, just what I remember from the movies

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's why I said worse than Stark. He pivoted away from supporting the Military-Industrial Complex when he realized it was hurting people, whereas Batman hasn't.

It's just odd since Batman is supposed to have ironclad ethics, whereas Iron Man is famously a hypocritical ass (though much less so in the MCU than in the comics, from what I've heard).

[–] phx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Meanwhile, the DoD is like: "Hey, anyone else kinda wondering why these bombs, ammunition boxes, and rifles are all kinds bat-shaped. Wayne enterprises is weird"

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 hours ago

If the income tax graduations are steep enough then the billionaire class will optimize to minimize taxes by reducing their own income in favor of reinvesting in their business and employees. In theory. In reality I'm sure they'd find some way to squirrel it away while their employees apply for and get denied food stamps.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 hours ago

Underfunding the government through tax cuts makes corruption more likely. The richer the rich are, the easier it is to manipulate the government for them. Why do you think so much money goes to Lockheed Martin? Who gets government contracts isn’t chosen at random, there are moneyed interests involved.

You're assuming we'd stop at Bruce Wayne.

The same people willing go after Batman are willing to go after Lockheed-Martin and every politician they paid for.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In the Batman Year 1 comic the thing that makes the police believe there really is a 'Bat-Man' is when he attacks a fancy dinner party and warns Gotham's movers and shakers that justice is coming for them, too.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's pretty clear Gotham was full of corruption from top to bottom, which pushed him into becoming Batman. Philanthropy would just fuel the corrupt politicians into funneling money to the crime bosses, and taking a cut. Probably if he started a soup kitchen and was on the ground getting people out of poverty, he would achieve improvement, but when the police, courts, and politicians are on the crime bosses payrolls, funding those institutions more will not solve Gotham's problems

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I vaguely remember some stories, he does do the whole non-profit thing, too. It's still a little bit too pro-billionaire but yeah, in their setting it's quite likely the government is too corrupt.

Also he fucking funds other superheroes, so it's a little hard to say what actually works in that crazy universe. I can't imagine superheroing to be profitable.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 6 points 3 hours ago

In some of the Silver Age comics, Superman has a vast fortune from old Spanish treasure ships he can find deep undersea. Yet no one ever calls Supes on being a skinflint.

[jk]

[–] hakkinen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

still love him

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 hours ago

It only works when that money goes to the right place. With all the corruption in Gotham, that money probably goes straight into the politicians bank accounts.

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