My country DOES have an option to remove the gender marker from ID and all official docs/files BUT it's only for intersex people π
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Gender is imaginary, people's gender/sexual identity is complex.
Consider Cartesian coordinate system such that the horizontal x-axis, called the real axis, is formed by the real numbers, and the vertical y-axis, called the imaginary axis, is formed by the imaginary numbers.
The complex plane allows for a geometric interpretation of complex numbers. Under addition, they add like vectors.
In my state (in Australia) we don't have a gender marker on our licenses at all, which is great for every other time you use a license. But a cop can just pull your file on their computer and it displays it there. Seems like the pawblem is just cops, i dunno fam Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Sex: yes
Gender: no
The license already has a picture. Neither sex nor gender provide any value in identification, and have lead to misidentification of cis people too.
I think its less a data point they want for checking id (although I did know a dude who got busted trying to use his sister's ID while underage. She had short hair and a gender neutral name, but he had a mustache. Otherwise he looked plausibly like the photo, but there was that pesky F on the liscence.)
I think its more a matter of having it as a search criteria for narrowing database searches. Which logically should make it more useful as a 'gender presentation': M/F/other.
Got surveilance tape of a clearly masculine perp? 5'8, caucasian, blond hair, dark beard? You dont want your search clogged up with all the AMAB, who dont match the photo because they've transitioned, and missing all the AFABs whove started HRT and now have/ could have a beard.
why does a license even need sex, though? like when is it ever used as proof of identity by dropping your pants?
look at mister goosmoos here, thinks licenses should be condemned to never fuck
why does a license even need sex, though?
It gets lonely
Sometimes I find mine cuddling with my CC.
European driver's licenses don't have gender.
They do state the ID-number, which has digits that can be used to determine the registered gender.
In France I believe they do, they are all masculine. "le permis de conduire"
They're masculine in German too - "Der Lappen". Despite that fact, some men get quite upset when you call them Lappen. How dramatic π
In polish they're neuter - "prawo jazdy", such a win for nb people
Are drivers licenses standard for all of the EU or do they vary by country?
They vary some in design elements, but mostly they we all have the pink card format license now, and the info on them are mostly standardised across all countries.
They're not mostly pink though.
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This is more in line with why non-binary came about. Though, broadly, it was always a rejection of the social or cultural concepts of genderβof which it was just the typical two. Somehow this attracted the idea of wanting to still have a gender (for some reason), just not one of the two existing ones. It has more practically evolved to this now.
Over time, those that once were non-binary have to explain themselves, which I find fucking ironic.
Ya can't just say, "I don't have one" or "I don't align to any" because it's a required field full of nonsense you don't follow and non-binary means something else now or at least opens people up to assuming you're one of many things you obviously are not.
N/A would be great.
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Us licenses are crazy in general.
Why it needs to list your height, weight, eye colour and sex at all make no sense.
Optical identification.
It's literally a tool meant to identify you. It listing obvious physical characteristics to describe you makes common sense. Simply having a picture isn't that descriptive considering it's just a headshot.
Why should a drivers license include more personal information than a passport does?
A passport has waaaay more personal info than a driver's liscense. That's been part of the move to chipped passports, they can now have basically any biometric data.
Personally I don't see an issue with height, weight, eye color, etc. None of that is exactly a secret, a fairly unobtrusive way to narrow down identification. The only thing I think is iffy is address but that's often out of date anyway. I've also only ever heard of that used to mail lost wallets.
Weight's kinda stupid seeing as it can vary so easily
I had to go back to my car for my wallet at Costco recently because I'd lost so much weight since the membership photo was taken in April, they didn't believe it was me. (60 pounds down!)
My point is, it's more information than is required.
In the interests of privacy we should be required to provide only the minimum necessary detail.
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Height and Weight is actually useful for medical purposes in emergencies. You don't want to be given too much or too little of a blood transfusion.
If its critical to be precise, no doctor is relying on the numbers on th license.
And if its not, then can do what the rest of the world does, or what they do for anyone who doesn't have a license.
If it's critical, you don't have time to take them to a weighing machine and measuring them.
It's also why most licenses have blood type listed.
in the US they will always run a test to confirm blood type before starting an infusion
If it's an emergency they'll run O- because there isn't time for that test, and if there's no O- they'll go based off info
ah, I didn't know about this - it does look like O- is used (and sometimes O+ if risk assessment allows when O- blood is not available).
I'm also reading there are rapid tests used in emergencies, too.
Which states have blood types on ID? I haven't seen that
I don't remember which states, but some countries do / did. El Salvador and Japan I believe are some. Finland doesn't, but that's because our ID can be scanned to get our medical info if needed, and we have Kela cards anyway as well even if you don't have ID that do the same
100% agree.
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