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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 points 41 seconds ago

I work for a fascist. He's my father. Fox is on his TV in his office beside mine right now. I suppose most would hate me if they knew that without knowing I cancel his vote out every time.

This might be a similar kind of situation.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.

You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.

We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.

Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?

perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:

Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.

[–] bss03 5 points 34 minutes ago

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob?

Yes, the community.frame.work is the preferred method for asking questions to Framework (see: https://frame.work/support), and the first post makes a few statements about non-Framework persons/projects and Framework has sponsored, and asks one question to Framework.

So, if you'd read the damn post, you'd know this is exactly how Framework asks to be engaged.

[–] nroth@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Projects are not their authors. Please give the politics a rest. I've had enough of politics lately.

[–] Waryle@jlai.lu 13 points 2 hours ago

Wether you like it or not, some people don't have the luxury to stop fighting, even more so right now with so-called democratic governments that brutalize, lock up and torture people for their opinions, their sexuality or their skin color.

Ignore these debates if you wish, and disconnect from social networks if you need to rest. But don’t call for people to stop fighting when their very existence is put at risk by people like DHH, that Framework decided to support.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 hour ago

Sadly, the official discord server appears to also be a cesspool. So the community is also not that great

Which sucks, because omarchy seems to be quite nice

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It's become all about purity testing. From both the right and the left. And since any purity test can be anything that anyone wants it be, everyone is guaranteed to fail it at some point. And because the internet never forgets, something you said 20 years ago now is grounds for being purged. Without any thought to what that person now believes and how they think.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 49 minutes ago

Is this situation relevant to that example? Are the people in question changed since the time in which the accusations were made?

Rebranding personal ethics and morals as "a purity test" is disingenuous at best.

If you're going to take umbridge with someone's approach at least do it directly instead of this backhanded high horse bullshit.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

I've been thinking similar things. Maybe online platforms, including Lemmy, can be a bit unhealthy.

In the real world, if you say something a bit embarrassing in front of one person, they'll probably forget it after a while. Years later, nobody knows you said it. But on Lemmy, if I tell one person my opinion on a topic, that opinion exists on my profile for the rest of time, unless I delete the comment or my profile.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I really don't know if people actually mean fascism/nazism or is this just a term applied to xenophobic nationalism. I see this all around fedi and I genuinely can't tell which case it is.

[–] bss03 1 points 30 minutes ago

Palingenetic ultranationalism is a definition of "true fascism" proposed by political theorist Roger Griffin.

So, you are painting with a fairly fine brush there. While "Nazi" is more metaphorical, there are definitely people with authority in the US government that are literally fascists.

[–] SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe 6 points 5 hours ago (8 children)

@majster @pegazz What's the difference? And why should anyone who isn't a fascist, a nazi, or a xenophobic nationalist care?

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 4 points 4 hours ago

For the same reason you compare things lightly to the holocaust. At some point the word looses the gravity of it's meaning.

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[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

Wow framework sells a lot of computers to real fascist psychos. That thread is rough. Comment about ICE only arresting criminals would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. "I have immigrant friends" lol.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 16 points 5 hours ago

I don't care if they're selling computers to fascist psychos.

I do care that they're using their soapbox to promote those fascist psychos.

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