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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This was actually Lenin's take?

Cool

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I don't remember any explicit statements from him on the matter, but over the course of two revisions of Russian law, sodomy law was left out. And the Bolsheviks were running a single-party state by then, so it's not like Lenin was compromising with some other force; he probably legitimately viewed homosexuality as being not enough of a concern to focus government effort on suppressing it.

While obviously this is distinct from support of LGBT rights, even in a tepid way, it is a more forward-thinking view than many of his contemporaries had, in-line with the reforms instituted in French law since the Revolution and kept by many European states which based their law on the Napoleonic Civil Code, and in Ottoman Turkish law after the 'Westernizing' reforms of the mid-19th century.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lenin's biggest mistakes were playing nice with the Bolsheviks(and not anarchists), consolidating too much power in his state/party, and basically abandoning democracy/transparency.

I'm sure there ware a bunch of other stupid things he did, as will happen when no one can stop you or even admit you may be wrong in the moment, but those were the things that really set up the next guy to be able to shit all over anything good he had done.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't the next guy supposed to be Trotsky but stalin outmaneuvered him and eventually made him flee? The world sound be an interesting place is it had gone the way Lenin intended things.

This is if I'm remembering correctly

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm one of those crazies who believes that sufficient gun/weapons rights should allow people to expiriment with whatever forms of government they please. That is to say, once someone in power has opted to violate those, I quickly lose interest in their theories, intents, or what-if scenarios versus what they actually managed.

Maybe that's intellectually lazy of me, but I'm just being honest. I'm probably not one that you want to have that Lenin conversation with. I believe modern Israel lost the moral high ground vs Hamas and the rest at, basically, conception.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

There was also the Red Terror and mass killings, very significant points that set the stage for future mass violence and killing.