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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You've got to seize the means of production, of course in the US that means getting on a plane.

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[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Civil disobedience for the sake of it is just stupid. When we retroactively look at civil disobedience in history, we intentionally filter out the vast majority and just highlight the few examples that we're done in ethical ways, for the right causes, and achieved results. Civil disobedience is not a virtue nor is it uncommon. What actually matters are the motivations, principles, and methods used behind the civil disobedience.

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[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago

Which is why we will always need heroes.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

You can't abuse people and expect to keep running things. So don't abuse. That's it.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

unreasonable? it is generally categorized as criminal

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The response by quasi-normalcy reads like a cherry picked simplification to lead to a likely incorrect conclusion.

The statements suggest all (or most) riots:

  • change public policy for the better; they don't
  • are justified by the rioters; they aren't

Here are some examples:

Battle of Blair Mountain

For five days from late August to early September 1921, some 10,000 armed coal miners confronted 3,000 lawmen and strikebreakers (called the Logan Defenders)[6] who were backed by coal mine operators during the miners' attempt to unionize the southwestern West Virginia coalfields when tensions rose between workers and mine management. The battle ended after approximately one million rounds were fired,[7] and the United States Army, represented by the West Virginia National Guard led by McDowell County native William Eubanks,[8] intervened by presidential order.[9]

In the short term the battle was an overwhelming victory for coal industry owners and management.[52] United Mine Workers of America (UMWA or UMW) membership plummeted from more than 50,000 miners to approximately 10,000 over the next several years, and it was not until 1935—following the Great Depression and the beginning of the New Deal under President Franklin Delano Roosevelt—that the UMW fully organized in southern West Virginia.

This union defeat had major implications for the UMWA as a whole. As World War I ended, the demand for coal declined adversely impacting the industry. [citation needed] Because of the defeat in West Virginia, the union was also undermined in Pennsylvania and Kentucky. By the end of 1925, Illinois was the only remaining unionized state in terms of soft coal production.

So in this example, most of us today would say the riot was justified as the coal miners were seeking safer working conditions under unionization. This riot failed and largely destroyed the union.

So was the riot justified: yes. Did it lead to positive change: no.

Tulsa race massacre aka Tulsa riot

The Tulsa race massacre was a two-day-long white supremacist terrorist[13][14] massacre[15] that took place in the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, United States, between May 31 and June 1, 1921. Mobs of white residents, some of whom had been appointed as deputies and armed by city government officials,[16] attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses. The event is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history.[17][18] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood—at the time, one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as "Black Wall Street."[19]

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals, and as many as 6,000 black residents of Tulsa were interned, many of them for several days.[20][21] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead.[22] The 2001 Tulsa Reparations Coalition examination of events identified 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates, and other records.[23] The commission reported estimates ranging from 36 up to around 300 dead.[24][25]

So in this example most of us today would say the riot was NOT justified as the black residents were just trying to live their lives in peace and prosperity before the white supremacists came in with violence and murder of black residents.

So was the riot justified: no. Did it lead to positive change: no.

The original premise by that poster is questionable as only through the lens of history can we pick out specific riots that lead to positive policy or positive societal change.

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Why are you pro-rioting before a massive rally? The regime WANTS a riot so they can engage in massive retaliation. You're literally doing their work for them, get smart.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

The regime can do whatever it wants, without justification.

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